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DeMango
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March 19th, 2020 at 9:15:41 AM permalink
19-1 Enough said.
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Gialmere
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March 19th, 2020 at 8:18:36 PM permalink
I'd be more interested in a poll on smoking. I do think that casinos should be more accommodating to nonsmokers. I actually felt embarrassed visiting San Manuel casino. It's bigger than the MGM Grand and yet the nonsmoking area is a small room (about the size of a gift shop) filled with slot machines. Yikes!

Having said that, however, when I visit Vegas I want to go to Sin City not a church social. While I'm too old (and too married) to indulge in all of life's illicit pleasures, I say the more vices the better. People should should be able to smoke, vape, drink, gamble, do drugs (within reason) and engage in legalized prostitution.

Would this be a good thing? Probably not ... but that's sort of the point.
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DeMango
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March 19th, 2020 at 8:29:52 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I'd be more interested in a poll on smoking. I do think that casinos should be more accommodating to nonsmokers. I actually felt embarrassed visiting San Manuel casino. It's bigger than the MGM Grand and yet the nonsmoking area is a small room (about the size of a gift shop) filled with slot machines. Yikes!

Having said that, however, when I visit Vegas I want to go to Sin City not a church social. While I'm too old (and too married) to indulge in all of life's illicit pleasures, I say the more vices the better. People should should be able to smoke, vape, drink, gamble, do drugs (within reason) and engage in legalized prostitution.

Would this be a good thing? Probably not ... but that's sort of the point.


As long as their activities don't hurt me. Don't want ANY second hand smoke or abnormal behavior due to drugs.
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onenickelmiracle
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March 19th, 2020 at 8:32:17 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I'd be more interested in a poll on smoking. I do think that casinos should be more accommodating to nonsmokers. I actually felt embarrassed visiting San Manuel casino. It's bigger than the MGM Grand and yet the nonsmoking area is a small room (about the size of a gift shop) filled with slot machines. Yikes!

Having said that, however, when I visit Vegas I want to go to Sin City not a church social. While I'm too old (and too married) to indulge in all of life's illicit pleasures, I say the more vices the better. People should should be able to smoke, vape, drink, gamble, do drugs (within reason) and engage in legalized prostitution.

Would this be a good thing? Probably not ... but that's sort of the point.

This one is up to the casino or state. 50/50 25/75, people are fine with. Not much for debate unless you want 100 non-smoking, then buy a casino or talk to state. Talking to state, fine but unpleasant legislating, because if business decision so wonderful, the casino would change without being told.
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TDVegas
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March 19th, 2020 at 10:11:35 PM permalink
On casino smoking...politicians have no back bone. No smoking bans in office buildings, stadiums, arenas, restaurants and other public spaces were instituted for public health reasons.

Thereís no reason for an exception. Business licenses are issued for other businesses and they canít flip the bird to a no smoking edict. If they do, the business license is pulled.

Itís a long over due change. NYC went thru the same thing when smoking was banned in bars and restaurants. Business actually went up.
billryan
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March 19th, 2020 at 10:37:37 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

On casino smoking...politicians have no back bone. No smoking bans in office buildings, stadiums, arenas, restaurants and other public spaces were instituted for public health reasons.

Thereís no reason for an exception. Business licenses are issued for other businesses and they canít flip the bird to a no smoking edict. If they do, the business license is pulled.

Itís a long over due change. NYC went thru the same thing when smoking was banned in bars and restaurants. Business actually went up.



I sold my niteclub when NYC banned smoking. Several customer focus groups indicated we would take a huge hit. I was getting burnt out and welcomed the sale, but business a year later was slightly up. A lot of people bitched but still came and a whole new subset came out for the first time. What really annoyed me was just two years earlier, the city mandated we put in a new air circulation system that they helped us to finance. We still owed over $15,000 when they announced the ban. Obviously, the new owners weren't interested in paying off a system they had zero use for so it came out of my partners and my share.
It was amazing how quickly the anti-smoking movement became a tidal wave.
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AZDuffman
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March 20th, 2020 at 3:54:02 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I sold my niteclub when NYC banned smoking. Several customer focus groups indicated we would take a huge hit. I was getting burnt out and welcomed the sale, but business a year later was slightly up. A lot of people bitched but still came and a whole new subset came out for the first time. What really annoyed me was just two years earlier, the city mandated we put in a new air circulation system that they helped us to finance. We still owed over $15,000 when they announced the ban. Obviously, the new owners weren't interested in paying off a system they had zero use for so it came out of my partners and my share.
It was amazing how quickly the anti-smoking movement became a tidal wave.



That is what upset me about the NYS smoking ban. Those systems really helped. I prefer nonsmoking, but it was seriously just 2 years that the bars got out of those systems.

As to casinos the way I see the problem is in Vegas nobody wants to be first. In most other places you have little choice so casino says take it or leave it. But sooner or later I see it happening, can't cater to 16% of the population long term.
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Joeman
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March 20th, 2020 at 4:59:03 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

As to casinos the way I see the problem is in Vegas nobody wants to be first. In most other places you have little choice so casino says take it or leave it. But sooner or later I see it happening, can't cater to 16% of the population long term.

I'd be curious to know how much revenue that 16% is bringing in. I'd bet that it is considerably more than 16% of the total. I see smokers being more likely to have a gambling problem than non-smokers.

FYI, the Palace casino in Biloxi is the only smoke free casino among a dozen or so smoking casinos in the area. It still appears to be doing OK after 9 years. But none of the other casinos have followed suit.
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Vegasrider
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March 20th, 2020 at 7:18:00 AM permalink
The Atlantis Casino in Reno has a smokefree Sports and Racebook, and its a decent size book. Combine it with the poker room that is adjacent to the book, that entire area is non smoking. Kudos to the Atlantis. Wish other casinos in Reno would follow their lead.
TDVegas
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March 20th, 2020 at 9:37:11 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I sold my niteclub when NYC banned smoking. Several customer focus groups indicated we would take a huge hit. I was getting burnt out and welcomed the sale, but business a year later was slightly up. A lot of people bitched but still came and a whole new subset came out for the first time. What really annoyed me was just two years earlier, the city mandated we put in a new air circulation system that they helped us to finance. We still owed over $15,000 when they announced the ban. Obviously, the new owners weren't interested in paying off a system they had zero use for so it came out of my partners and my share.
It was amazing how quickly the anti-smoking movement became a tidal wave.


Yep. Unintended consequence. You lay out money and they ban smoking. You are left with the bill and they shrug their shoulders.

I agree...not right or fair. They should have worked out a deal with a tax break or something. Roll back any business fees or a ďsplit the differenceĒ cash payment.

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