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September 20th, 2019 at 2:40:49 PM permalink
La Pair'e started a field trial at the El Cortez yesterday (Sep 19, 2019). I parked extremely far away and navigated a maze of Life is Beautiful fencing to take a look.

I haven't seen such a simple game that was so hard to explain since Chinese War. It must have taken me half an hour at the table to understand it. Other players and bystanders looked equally confused. The game is difficult to compare to anything, but, if forced, it has some similarities to Flip&It. If that comparison doesn't help, think of a cross between Three Card Poker and roulette.

Please click the link in the large font for my attempt at an explanation. You will notice I get a low 1.11% house edge for the Poker Hand bet, which makes me worry I either misunderstand the rules or did the math wrong. I welcome a confirmation or correction on that, as well as on anything.

The question for the poll is would you play La Pair'e?

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September 20th, 2019 at 2:49:11 PM permalink
This looks like it would be a fun game at low stakes with a bunch of friends. Seems like it would run pretty slowly with a lot of people at the table, so if the minimum was low enough you could nurse it for drinks while still having a good time.

It also looks like a cross between poker and Faro.
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September 20th, 2019 at 4:52:16 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

It also looks like a cross between poker and Faro.



I thought it was a faro variant at first. The dealer spoke very little English, as usual for a field trial game, so I had to figure it out based on watching and the awful rack card. I shouldn't even call it a card, but a piece of paper.
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September 20th, 2019 at 5:25:05 PM permalink
Are multiple hands dealt from a deck before shuffling, or is the deck shuffled after each hand?

Typo Alert: The table that should be labeled "2nd Card Bets Analysis" is mislabeled as First Card Bets Analysis. Also, Rule #2 has a confusing typo.
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September 20th, 2019 at 5:57:07 PM permalink
Um, the Pairs Bet analysis looks like it may have more than one glitch.

On the number of combinations for Three of a Kind, it looks like you overlooked the combinations that are one joker plus a natural pair.

I also get a slightly different number (228) for the straight flush combinations. No that one is okay.
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September 20th, 2019 at 5:57:17 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Are multiple hands dealt from a deck before shuffling, or is the deck shuffled after each hand?



From shuffle for each hand.

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Typo Alert: The table that should be labeled "2nd Card Bets Analysis" is mislabeled as First Card Bets Analysis. Also, Rule #2 has a confusing typo.



Thanks. Fixed.
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September 20th, 2019 at 6:18:16 PM permalink
I agree with your numbers for Flush and Straight combinations. Which is troubling. Maybe I made the same error you did?

EDIT: I now agree that your "Three of a Kind" number is correct. I had made some unfathomable error.* I now have duplicated all the numbers in your Pairs Bet Analysis. Sorry for the confusion.

*I was away from my computer, and was doing all the calculations in my head - and apparently got confused on 3oak. I have now done them all more systematically and recorded them on a spreadsheet. Complete agreement with your numbers.
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September 20th, 2019 at 7:52:32 PM permalink
Thanks, Gordon, for double checking my numbers. In case anyone else is interested, here is a breakdown of my math.

Event 0 jokers 1 joker 2 jokers total
Two jokers 0 0 52 52
Mini royal 4 24 0 28
Straight flush 44 176 0 220
Three of a kind 52 156 0 208
Straight 720 600 0 1320
Flush 1096 424 0 1520
Pair 3744 1272 0 5016
Other 16440 0 0 16440
Total 22100 2652 52 24804
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September 21st, 2019 at 8:30:04 AM permalink
If the 1.11% is correct, and there seems to be potential for high payoff (100x, 50x, 25x), I could see this being worth a try. Especially since EC will prob have a low limit on it ($5, I assume?). This seems like a good “Low edge game where I can drink and not worry about making a stupid mistake.”
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September 21st, 2019 at 2:52:52 PM permalink
Quote: TinMan

If the 1.11% is correct, and there seems to be potential for high payoff (100x, 50x, 25x), I could see this being worth a try. Especially since EC will prob have a low limit on it ($5, I assume?). This seems like a good “Low edge game where I can drink and not worry about making a stupid mistake.”



It's possible they don't count A-2-3 as a straight, or something like that. As I recall, the bet range was $5 to $50.
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