charliepatrick
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September 10th, 2019 at 11:00:42 AM permalink
^Yes as you add 12/42 and 11/42 to my figures. Note all these ignore any discards you may have made as I think you should draw to dealt Trips.
kubikulann
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September 10th, 2019 at 12:55:36 PM permalink
Quote: CharlesMousseau

Would you agree then that, assuming the rules are as I reported (i.e. if you pay to switch you now get paid on Raise AND Ante if dealer qualifies) that my EV calculations are good? Like I should be confident it's super simple and the difference in results is so obvious but still just insecure :P

(again, just from reading the posts here)
Two possible rules appear from what has been written.
1) if you do not force, you are paid 1x ante. If you force and the dealer still not qualifies, you are NOT paid the ante (nor the raise): -1. If s/he qualifies, you are paid normally, ante 1 and raise 3: +6
2) if you do not force OR if the dealer doesnít qualify after a force draw, you get paid your ante. If qualify, you receive in addition the raise x3: +6

Your formula would imply a third ruling, where you are not paid one ante even in the case you donít force.// or you receive a second pay on your ante! +7


Case(1) is 6 for success, -1 for fail.
Case (2) is 6 for success, 0 for fail. That is what was exhibited as St.Howís result.
Your case is 7 and 0.
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Dobrij
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September 10th, 2019 at 1:06:56 PM permalink
Guys, I donít understand exactly what the problem is, but if You want the correct calculation will be like this:

Quote:

player: Qd Qs Qh Ac 6h
dealer: Ad 9c 7d 5s 4c
forceEV: +0.7143


Get ante = +1,00
Buy = +0,79

Quote:

player: 4d 4s 4c Qc 2h
dealer: Tc 8s 6s 5c 2s
forceEV: +0.5714


Get ante = +1,00
Buy = +0,68

* what you call "forсe", calling is "buy the game"
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kubikulann
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September 10th, 2019 at 1:10:51 PM permalink
Quote: Dobrij

Guys, I donít understand exactly what the problem is, but if You want the correct calculation will be like this:


Bet = +1,00
Buy = +0,79


Bet = +1,00
Buy = +0,68

* what you call "forсe", calling is "buy the game"

Sorry, but thatís wrong.
Would you please expose your equations ?
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Dobrij
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September 10th, 2019 at 1:16:51 PM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

Sorry, but thatís wrong.
Would you please expose your equations ?



"Get ante", more profitable than trying to "buy a game".

Before saying this wrong, be sure that you are 100% right! And it can be a shame ...
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kubikulann
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September 10th, 2019 at 1:45:59 PM permalink
Quote: Dobrij



Before saying this wrong, be sure that you are 100% right! And it can be a shame ...

Neither of us is a native English speaker, but I can make the difference between « THIS is wrong/right » and « YOU are wrong/right ».

And between « please » and « a shame ».

Are you a Russian version of 7craps?
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CharlesMousseau
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September 10th, 2019 at 1:54:12 PM permalink
Enough bickering, you two. I'm trying to have a mathematical and rules conundrum solved. Take it outside. :)
Dobrij
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September 10th, 2019 at 3:14:05 PM permalink
Quote: CharlesMousseau

Enough bickering, you two. I'm trying to have a mathematical and rules conundrum solved. Take it outside. :)



So, calculation for You is not suitable? (is not the answer 4 U?)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Quote:


player: Qd Qs Qh Ac 6h
dealer: Ad 9c 7d 5s 4c
forceEV: +0.7143
Get ante = +1,00
Buy(force) = +0,79

player: 4d 4s 4c Qc 2h
dealer: Tc 8s 6s 5c 2s
forceEV: +0.5714
Get ante = +1,00
Buy(force) = +0,68

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CharlesMousseau
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MichaelBluejay
September 12th, 2019 at 12:02:38 PM permalink
OKAY I figured it out. Apparently the Ante does NOT pay when the dealer has a qualified hand, it only pays when the dealer does not qualify.

This would explain why my results were off by one unit, and other off-by-one-unit errors that I found.

Thanks to everyone participating. Sometimes even just talking things out is useful, even when it means I need to find my problem ;)
DRich
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MichaelBluejay
September 12th, 2019 at 12:15:07 PM permalink
Quote: CharlesMousseau


Thanks to everyone participating. Sometimes even just talking things out is useful, even when it means I need to find my problem ;)



I used to talk my wife through my programming problems and she had zero clue about any technology. It usually worked because it made me explain the problem in different ways which would help me realize the problem.
Living longer does not always infer +EV

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