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As usual, I welcome all questions, comments, and corrections.

The question for the poll is would you bet the 3 Card Wins if playing baccarat anyway? Multiple votes allowed.

Question for discussion: Are these countable? (shut up Wiz!)

Obviously countable. The "Dragon 7" count is almost certainly usable here, as it is correlated to 3-card final hands. (4,5,6,7 = -1, 8,9 = +2). However, there may be an even stronger count.Quote:WizardAre these countable?

Quote:teliotObviously countable. The "Dragon 7" count is almost certainly usable here, as it is correlated to 3-card final hands. (4,5,6,7 = -1, 8,9 = +2). However, there may be an even stronger count.

I beg to differ, obviously it is not so countable, you can rest assured.

Fortunately, it is beatable with a very unique method . . .( shhh...)

Quote:teliotObviously countable.

I am just told the maximum bet is $25. Between that and one placement, I'm not going to fuss with it.

Quote:teliotObviously countable. The "Dragon 7" count is almost certainly usable here, as it is correlated to 3-card final hands. (4,5,6,7 = -1, 8,9 = +2). However, there may be an even stronger count.

100 million shoe simulation results :-

a) 96.6% penetration, BANKER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.014unit

b) 87.5% penetration, BANKER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.001unit

c) 96.6% penetration, PLAYER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.177unit

d) 87.5% penetration, PLAYER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.068unit

So it is not so countable, as per my prediction. Rest assured.

Quote:teliotObviously countable. The "Dragon 7" count is almost certainly usable here, as it is correlated to 3-card final hands. (4,5,6,7 = -1, 8,9 = +2). However, there may be an even stronger count.

(1) All popular side bets have been identified as countable by the Professor.

(2) Most gamblers only play the perceived "countable" games

(3) First figure out how much you can make per hour by counting

(4) Then get your bankroll ready and go bet.

Quote:ssho88100 million shoe simulation results :-

a) 96.6% penetration, BANKER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.014unit

b) 87.5% penetration, BANKER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.001unit

c) 96.6% penetration, PLAYER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.177unit

d) 87.5% penetration, PLAYER 3 CARD WINS, EV/shoe = 0.068unit

So it is not so countable, as per my prediction. Rest assured.

The paytable has changed:

Banker 3 Card Win, 5,4,3,2,1 15 to 1

Banker 3 Card Win, 9,8,7,6, Push

Player 3 Card Win, 5,4,3,2,1 10 to 1

Player 3 Card Win, 9,8,7,6, Push

Countable?

Quote:UCivanThe paytable has changed:

Banker 3 Card Win, 5,4,3,2,1 15 to 1

Banker 3 Card Win, 9,8,7,6, Push

Player 3 Card Win, 5,4,3,2,1 10 to 1

Player 3 Card Win, 9,8,7,6, Push

Countable?

UCivan,

I get the following EV results for the new paytable:

Baccarat 3-Card Win: New Paytable | |||
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Result | Pays | Prob | Return |

Banker Bet | |||

Banker 3-Card Win with Total of 1-5 | 15 | 0.0528397212026086 | 0.792595818 |

Banker 3-Card Win with Total of 6-9 | 0 | 0.0999862425691615 | 0 |

Lose | -1 | 0.8471740362282300 | -0.847174036 |

-0.054578218 | |||

Player Bet | |||

Player 3-Card Win with Total of 1-5 | 10 | 0.0682054873307859 | 0.682054873 |

Player 3-Card Win with Total of 6-9 | 0 | 0.1204224241038410 | 0 |

Lose | -1 | 0.8113720885653730 | -0.811372089 |

-0.129317215 |

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

Quote:DogHandUCivan,

I get the following EV results for the new paytable:

Baccarat 3-Card Win: New Paytable Result Pays Prob Return Banker Bet Banker 3-Card Win with Total of 1-5 15 0.0528397212026086 0.792595818 Banker 3-Card Win with Total of 6-9 0 0.0999862425691615 0 Lose -1 0.8471740362282300 -0.847174036 -0.054578218 Player Bet Player 3-Card Win with Total of 1-5 10 0.0682054873307859 0.682054873 Player 3-Card Win with Total of 6-9 0 0.1204224241038410 0 Lose -1 0.8113720885653730 -0.811372089 -0.129317215

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

Thank U DogHand.

I was interested in countability? Easy to count?