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EvenBob
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March 20th, 2019 at 9:46:43 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

These casinos have all these poor APs quaking in their boots.
I am so ashamed at the quivering jellies in the AP field today who come up with all types of certainties that they really know nothing about. Anti-surveillance measures by AP are clearly based now in imagination



This is as far as I got, it's all
I have time for right now.
I'll read the rest of it later.
Maybe..

Quote: darkoz

Laser beams, lip reading, microphones that capture whispered AP conversations no matter where on property, illegal surveillance wire-taps and computer surveillance

Out of the few times (3 in six years) I have had to wrar a mask because I was caught by surveillance I know EVERYTHING about why it happened and not one reason listed above.

First time trying a move that was new and which resembled an unrelated move (security misinterpreted what I was doing and had just dealt with a similar team)

Second time, one of my people got 2 different players cards without my knowledge (one in her maiden name one married) they came thru her husband so I didn't make the connection but the casino read the ID scans as the same person and had flagged the cards.

Third time, because the casino from the second time sent my info to them and I had the WORST luck possible-winning a large jackpot lol with an attendant right behind me and another persons card in the machine (a machine in six years that has never won jackpot status suddenly decides to retrigger 35 free spins three times over smh)

I have conversations in the casinos all the time. 7 days a week. I hand people money (handing people money in a casino WOW so suspicious). I am not kitty katty (think a synonym for the real word I want to use) that the casinos are standing over my shoulder like everyone else

I am totally ashamed by my AP brethren right now reduced to skulking in hallways and walking outside huge casino complexes just to do business and wear raincoats all the time

My masks are for extreme situations like the 2 top reasons listed above for my getting caught and I needed to go back inside. Rarely do I "have" to wear a mask or shade what and who I am - AND MY PICTURE AND MO HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO MANY CASINOS I CURRENTLY OPERATE IN - and I still conduct business unhampered and unobserved for years now!

Finally as to the casinos being indifferent towards me when they do discover me that suggestion is simply untrue. When heat comes down it does have huge pressure to bear. I have seen the casinos dirtiest tricks to catch me and also have seen inside their own paperwork (a privilege of discovery in a lawsuit and other court cases ongoing) so I am quite familiar with A) their real capabilities and B) their real feelings towards me as an AP

Everyone else appears to be speculating based on, I dont know what, maybe what they observed from Hollywood movies I guess

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Nathan
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March 20th, 2019 at 11:31:57 AM permalink
Wouldn't APs in the Casinos just talk in Code with regular talk to avoid saying incriminating things? For example, 'I'm going to go take a leak," could be Code for "I see The Dealer's Hole Card."
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AxelWolf
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:21:02 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Quote: LuckyPhow

teliot,

I greatly respect your opinion. However, this time, I think you let me down by not providing any evidence of substance documenting your opinion that casinos "can and do" collect usable audio from player conversations on the game floor.

Insofar as I can, I (try to) keep up with tech developments as they affect the gaming industry, including discussions with casino staff about surveillance capabilities. What they have shared (could have been lying, I suppose) is that casinos have no way to record normal conversation from the casino floor where, for example, two players talk to one another. If I understand correctly, any company selling such technology must receive approval from gaming regulators before casinos are allowed to purchase and use what the company offers. I know of none.

My sources report they can activate audio recording, but that it requires someone in management or security to request it. Almost always, the casino is recording a personnel matter, such as when an employee is disciplined, or when a player (based on previously recorded video evidence) is questioned as part of an investigation. Such recordings are always made in an otherwise quiet room away from the gaming floor. Any such recordings (together with video) must be clear and understandable for any future use, whether terminating a dealer for sloppy performance or (far less often) for dealing with a troublesome player who, for example, agrees never again to set foot in the casino.

So, I am VERY interested in companies that advertise to casinos that their audio technology allows clear, understandable capture of conversation among persons at a gaming table. Please be so kind as to identify any companies that claim to sell such technology to casinos. If you can...

Curious minds want to know.

if the question is whether casinos record some player dialogue in some casinos somewhere the answer is certainly yes as I have personally reviewed sutch materials.

Can you you tell us more please? I would appreciate as many details as you can give us. Why did they record them in the first place? Was this about slots, tables, cheating, general AP, grey area? What was the outcome? Why did they want you to listen? I would assume they had everything they needed to know with the recording already. Perhaps they still couldn't figure out what was going on?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:30:08 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Wouldn't APs in the Casinos just talk in Code with regular talk to avoid saying incriminating things? For example, 'I'm going to go take a leak," could be Code for "I see The Dealer's Hole Card."

I had to do a double take on who posted this. Sometimes you really surprise me. Some AP's do in fact talk in code. The first thing I realized I needed a code word for was when there was potential heat.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
WatchMeWin
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:34:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: teliot

Quote: LuckyPhow

teliot,



teliot, we know the casinos have access to and implement state of the art technology in many segments of the casino industry. Is if far fetched to say that they have technology to control dice in some manner or have the ability to via chips, frequencies, liquid metal, sensors, etc.?
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EvenBob
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:37:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I had to do a double take on who posted this.



Why. Just watch the MIT card counting
movie, they have codes for everything.
Old as the hills. They even used codes
in the TV show Deadwood in the casino.
Old traveling carnivals had lots of secret
codes.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AxelWolf
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:41:02 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin



teliot, we know the casinos have access to and implement state of the art technology in many segments of the casino industry. Is if far fetched to say that they have technology to control dice in some manner or have the ability to via chips, frequencies, liquid metal, sensors, etc.?

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Nathan
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March 20th, 2019 at 4:09:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I had to do a double take on who posted this. Sometimes you really surprise me. Some AP's do in fact talk in code. The first thing I realized I needed a code word for was when there was potential heat.



Thank you, Axel. :D I just came off with that off the top of my head, figuring what an AP would say to another AP to avoid being 86'd/backroomed/tresspassed/put on the OSN/etc.. :)
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
Hunterhill
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March 20th, 2019 at 5:48:30 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Thank you, Axel. :D I just came off with that off the top of my head, figuring what an AP would say to another AP to avoid being 86'd/backroomed/tresspassed/put on the OSN/etc.. :)

Nathan you really amaze me with how much you have absorbed from this site,If I didn't know better I would think you were a different poster or were playing dumb in the beginning.
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Keyser
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March 20th, 2019 at 6:01:52 PM permalink
Guys this is well known stuff that has been talked about in past World Game Protection Conferences. Am I the only one that tries to listen in and read up on it?

You know they just met at the Tropicana, but nobody's openly talking about this years presentations. What should worry most people is the Nazi pipe dream of chipless casino gambling and the absurd robots collecting analytical data on every patron that enters.

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