senneth
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September 20th, 2018 at 11:36:47 AM permalink
New Tiger Baccarat game offered by Marina Bay Sands (MBS) in Singapore. A 'tiger' happens when you win with a 6, where in no-commission baccarat games, the Banker bet pays half (instead of a 5% commission when Banker wins).

Would anyone be able to help to calculate the house edge for these bets?

goo[dot]gl/KwVKyw

‘Tiger Tie’ - 35 to 1
‘Single Tiger Pair’ - 4 to 1
‘Double Tiger Pair’ - 20 to 1
‘Twin Tiger Pair’ - 100 to 1
‘Tiger’
‘Tiger’ with Banker winning on 6 with two cards - 12 to 1
‘Tiger’ with Banker winning on 6 with three cards - 20 to 1
‘Small Tiger’ - 22 to 1
‘Big Tiger’ - 50 to 1
anonbit
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September 24th, 2018 at 8:44:15 AM permalink
have you already tried this game?
ssho88
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December 10th, 2018 at 10:00:33 PM permalink
simulation results shown that NOT beatable with card counting.
DogHand
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December 13th, 2018 at 12:13:30 PM permalink
senneth,

You failed to mention the number of decks, so I assumed 8.

I calculated the player's edge for each of the "Tiger 6" sidebets, and got these results:

PaysTiger: Banker wins with 6Return
12B6W2186,173,936,904,1920.037246719244.69606%
20B6W383,058,367,551,4880.016616996733.23399%
-1Lose4,729,165,971,047,6800.9461362841-94.61363%
-16.68357%


PaysTiger Tie: Player and Banker both 6
35Win96,170,001,308,4160.019240163867.34057%
-1Lose4,902,228,274,194,9400.9807598362-98.07598%
-30.73541%


PaysSmall Tiger: Banker wins 2-card 6Return
22186,173,936,904,1920.037246719281.94278%
-14,812,224,338,599,1700.9627532808-91.08958%
-9.14680%


PaysBig Tiger: Banker wins 3-card 6Return
5083,058,367,551,4880.016616996783.08498%
-14,915,339,907,951,8700.9833830033-96.44626%
-13.36127%


Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

P.S. A big "Thank You" to miplet for his "Table Maker" found here: http://miplet.net/table/
ssho88
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December 18th, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM permalink
SMALL TIGER and BIG TIGER house edge is 14.33255% and 15.25332% respectively. I did not check for "TIGER Banker wins with 6" and "TIGER TIE Player and Banker both 6"
DogHand
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December 25th, 2018 at 10:03:46 AM permalink
Quote: ssho88

SMALL TIGER and BIG TIGER house edge is 14.33255% and 15.25332% respectively. I did not check for "TIGER Banker wins with 6" and "TIGER TIE Player and Banker both 6"



ssho88,

Would you please show your work? I cannot figure why your results and mine differ so wildly.

Dog Hand
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December 25th, 2018 at 1:21:26 PM permalink
Sorry for the late arrival. If any of the rules are unclear, I found the TIGER NO COMMISSION BACCARAT (MBS) Game Rules, from the Singapore casino regulatory authority.

I will get to analyzing this shortly.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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December 25th, 2018 at 10:27:31 PM permalink
The first step in analyzing any game is understanding what the rules are, which is sometimes more difficult than the actual analysis. That was the case with Niu Niu, the last game I analyzed, but that is another story.

I at least have my understanding of the rules in writing in my new page on Tiger No Commission Baccarat at WoO. I welcome any corrections or questions.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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December 26th, 2018 at 8:00:13 AM permalink
My page on this is pretty much done.

DogHand, thank you for your analysis. We agree on everything except the Small Tiger and Big Tiger. Can you check your return for a loss in those bets. For example, you show a 96.28% chance at a loss, which I agree with, on the Small Tiger, but it contributes only -91.09% to the return. Shouldn't it be -96.28%?
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
DogHand
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December 28th, 2018 at 10:21:22 PM permalink
Wizard,

I believe you are correct.

I did the calculations at home. I'm traveling now, so when I return I'll check to see what I did wrong.

Dog Hand

P.S. Did you ever correct your Blazing 7's BJ sidebet page?

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