New Tiger Baccarat
September 20th, 2018 at 11:36:47 AM
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New Tiger Baccarat game offered by Marina Bay Sands (MBS) in Singapore. A 'tiger' happens when you win with a 6, where in no-commission baccarat games, the Banker bet pays half (instead of a 5% commission when Banker wins).
Would anyone be able to help to calculate the house edge for these bets?
goo[dot]gl/KwVKyw
‘Tiger Tie’ - 35 to 1
‘Single Tiger Pair’ - 4 to 1
‘Double Tiger Pair’ - 20 to 1
‘Twin Tiger Pair’ - 100 to 1
‘Tiger’
‘Tiger’ with Banker winning on 6 with two cards - 12 to 1
‘Tiger’ with Banker winning on 6 with three cards - 20 to 1
‘Small Tiger’ - 22 to 1
‘Big Tiger’ - 50 to 1
Would anyone be able to help to calculate the house edge for these bets?
goo[dot]gl/KwVKyw
‘Tiger Tie’ - 35 to 1
‘Single Tiger Pair’ - 4 to 1
‘Double Tiger Pair’ - 20 to 1
‘Twin Tiger Pair’ - 100 to 1
‘Tiger’
‘Tiger’ with Banker winning on 6 with two cards - 12 to 1
‘Tiger’ with Banker winning on 6 with three cards - 20 to 1
‘Small Tiger’ - 22 to 1
‘Big Tiger’ - 50 to 1
September 24th, 2018 at 8:44:15 AM
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have you already tried this game?
December 10th, 2018 at 10:00:33 PM
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simulation results shown that NOT beatable with card counting.
December 13th, 2018 at 12:13:30 PM
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senneth,
You failed to mention the number of decks, so I assumed 8.
I calculated the player's edge for each of the "Tiger 6" sidebets, and got these results:
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
P.S. A big "Thank You" to miplet for his "Table Maker" found here: http://miplet.net/table/
You failed to mention the number of decks, so I assumed 8.
I calculated the player's edge for each of the "Tiger 6" sidebets, and got these results:
| Pays | Tiger: Banker wins with 6 | Return | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 12 | B6W2 | 186,173,936,904,192 | 0.0372467192 | 44.69606% |
| 20 | B6W3 | 83,058,367,551,488 | 0.0166169967 | 33.23399% |
| -1 | Lose | 4,729,165,971,047,680 | 0.9461362841 | -94.61363% |
| -16.68357% |
| Pays | Tiger Tie: Player and Banker both 6 | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 35 | Win | 96,170,001,308,416 | 0.0192401638 | 67.34057% |
| -1 | Lose | 4,902,228,274,194,940 | 0.9807598362 | -98.07598% |
| -30.73541% |
| Pays | Small Tiger: Banker wins 2-card 6 | Return | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 22 | 186,173,936,904,192 | 0.0372467192 | 81.94278% |
| -1 | 4,812,224,338,599,170 | 0.9627532808 | -91.08958% |
| -9.14680% |
| Pays | Big Tiger: Banker wins 3-card 6 | Return | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 50 | 83,058,367,551,488 | 0.0166169967 | 83.08498% |
| -1 | 4,915,339,907,951,870 | 0.9833830033 | -96.44626% |
| -13.36127% |
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
P.S. A big "Thank You" to miplet for his "Table Maker" found here: http://miplet.net/table/
December 18th, 2018 at 4:36:09 AM
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SMALL TIGER and BIG TIGER house edge is 14.33255% and 15.25332% respectively. I did not check for "TIGER Banker wins with 6" and "TIGER TIE Player and Banker both 6"
December 25th, 2018 at 10:03:46 AM
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Quote: ssho88SMALL TIGER and BIG TIGER house edge is 14.33255% and 15.25332% respectively. I did not check for "TIGER Banker wins with 6" and "TIGER TIE Player and Banker both 6"
ssho88,
Would you please show your work? I cannot figure why your results and mine differ so wildly.
Dog Hand
December 25th, 2018 at 1:21:26 PM
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Sorry for the late arrival. If any of the rules are unclear, I found the TIGER NO COMMISSION BACCARAT (MBS) Game Rules, from the Singapore casino regulatory authority.
I will get to analyzing this shortly.
I will get to analyzing this shortly.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 25th, 2018 at 10:27:31 PM
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The first step in analyzing any game is understanding what the rules are, which is sometimes more difficult than the actual analysis. That was the case with Niu Niu, the last game I analyzed, but that is another story.
I at least have my understanding of the rules in writing in my new page on Tiger No Commission Baccarat at WoO. I welcome any corrections or questions.
I at least have my understanding of the rules in writing in my new page on Tiger No Commission Baccarat at WoO. I welcome any corrections or questions.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 26th, 2018 at 8:00:13 AM
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My page on this is pretty much done.
DogHand, thank you for your analysis. We agree on everything except the Small Tiger and Big Tiger. Can you check your return for a loss in those bets. For example, you show a 96.28% chance at a loss, which I agree with, on the Small Tiger, but it contributes only -91.09% to the return. Shouldn't it be -96.28%?
DogHand, thank you for your analysis. We agree on everything except the Small Tiger and Big Tiger. Can you check your return for a loss in those bets. For example, you show a 96.28% chance at a loss, which I agree with, on the Small Tiger, but it contributes only -91.09% to the return. Shouldn't it be -96.28%?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 28th, 2018 at 10:21:22 PM
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Wizard,
I believe you are correct.
I did the calculations at home. I'm traveling now, so when I return I'll check to see what I did wrong.
Dog Hand
P.S. Did you ever correct your Blazing 7's BJ sidebet page?
I believe you are correct.
I did the calculations at home. I'm traveling now, so when I return I'll check to see what I did wrong.
Dog Hand
P.S. Did you ever correct your Blazing 7's BJ sidebet page?
December 29th, 2018 at 4:41:47 AM
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Quote: DogHandP.S. Did you ever correct your Blazing 7's BJ sidebet page?
I don't remember.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 4th, 2019 at 8:43:11 AM
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Wizard,
Yes, I had a typo on my Excel spreadsheet in the formulas for the return on a loss for both the Small and Big Tiger sidebets. I have corrected the error and now my results agree with yours and ssho88's.
Dog Hand
Yes, I had a typo on my Excel spreadsheet in the formulas for the return on a loss for both the Small and Big Tiger sidebets. I have corrected the error and now my results agree with yours and ssho88's.
Dog Hand
January 4th, 2019 at 8:48:12 AM
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Quote: WizardI don't remember.
Wizard,
Nope. The typo I mentioned in this thread has not been corrected:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/32019-typo-on-woos-blazing-7s-page/#post688073
Dog Hand
February 18th, 2019 at 9:58:17 PM
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Hi Wizard,
Very informative.
I would like to bring to your attention, that MBS Singapore uses 10 decks now. Will there be big difference in the Math?
Secondly, can i know how do we calculate the house edge for these side bets?
Thank you :-)
Very informative.
I would like to bring to your attention, that MBS Singapore uses 10 decks now. Will there be big difference in the Math?
Secondly, can i know how do we calculate the house edge for these side bets?
Thank you :-)
February 19th, 2019 at 6:22:44 AM
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Quote: SunnySGHi Wizard,
Very informative.
I would like to bring to your attention, that MBS Singapore uses 10 decks now. Will there be big difference in the Math?
Secondly, can i know how do we calculate the house edge for these side bets?
Thank you :-)
MBS uses 10 decks for ALL baccarat games now ?
Dealer will dealt 9 decks out of 10 decks ? If there is the case, it will be aproximately 90 rounds per shoe . . .Please help to check
August 9th, 2023 at 7:07:37 AM
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Sorry, I'm still new to this mathematic stuffs. I trying to figure out how Wizard able to calculate the probability of Double Tiger Pair is 0.005201.
In my case, the way I do it is multiply the probability of player's pairs of Aces to total probability of banker's pairs then takaway probability of Twin Pairs of Aces:
= 0.5746% x 6.6147% - 0.0029% = 0.0351%. Then do the same with other 12 ranks I have a total probability of Double Tiger Pair is 0.4561%. Please tell me where I did wrong and how to fix it. Thank you
In my case, the way I do it is multiply the probability of player's pairs of Aces to total probability of banker's pairs then takaway probability of Twin Pairs of Aces:
= 0.5746% x 6.6147% - 0.0029% = 0.0351%. Then do the same with other 12 ranks I have a total probability of Double Tiger Pair is 0.4561%. Please tell me where I did wrong and how to fix it. Thank you
August 9th, 2023 at 7:45:34 AM
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Quote: DogHandQuote: WizardI don't remember.
Wizard,
Nope. The typo I mentioned in this thread has not been corrected:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/32019-typo-on-woos-blazing-7s-page/#post688073
Dog Hand
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Thanks. I just fixed it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 9th, 2023 at 7:47:28 AM
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Quote: SunnySGI would like to bring to your attention, that MBS Singapore uses 10 decks now. Will there be big difference in the Math?
Secondly, can i know how do we calculate the house edge for these side bets?
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Thank you. The effect of ten decks compared to eight would be very negligible. My compiler is presently not working, but I'll add some ten-deck numbers to my site when I get that problem resolved, which will probably require getting a new computer.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 18th, 2023 at 4:24:36 AM
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Have you tried playing online casino?
