Craps Players Are The Worst
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This morning I rolled into a casino and walk up to the craps table. There were only two people on the table which is beautiful. I did not cash in in the middle of the role as I waited with proper etiquette until the guy made or missed his point. He was cursing and screaming with every role as he kept switching his bets back and forth and kept missing the numbers he was betting. I could not have scripted it. He literally played the roll the worst you could play a role. The point was four . He had the don't pass and placed the five and eight. He proceeded to roll the six and then the nine. Then he moved his 5 to the 9 and 8 to the 6. The next three roles were 8, 8, n 5. He was cursing and saying all kinds of crazy shit and I just had to laugh out loud.
He gave me a dirty look and asked me if I was just going to stand there. I told him that I never jump in the middle of a roll and he should appreciate it. I then told him that I have a feeling he is going to make the point because his energy sucks. The next roll was a 4 .. He made the point and lost his don't pass bet. LMAO
As you guys may know. I never draw first blood, but when someone starts with me I can be fierce and give it back to them 20 fold. He started cursing more and I told him that he's barking up the wrong tree and he is the worst craps player I've ever seen. All of the dealers and Pit Bosses were laughing and the guy stormed off.
the worst what?Quote: WatchMeWinI agree, the majority of craps players are the absolute worst.
what IS a 'role'?Quote: WatchMeWinI did not cash in in the middle of the role as I waited with proper etiquette until the guy made or missed his point.
"proper etiquette' imo
is when the dice are in the middle of the table. I have had dealers and boxmen tell me that personally.
never wait to buy in
thank you for sharing
Sally
Quote: mustangsallythe worst what?
The worst patrons in a casino. Or anywhere.
I’ve never had problems with strangers in public anywhere other than a craps table.
p.s. I do agree that in general craps players really are the worse (at being polite to other gamblers).
you really mean the losing craps playersQuote: gamerfreakThe worst patrons in a casino. Or anywhere.
and I have played all over the world at many craps tables and the ones (players) that are winning are really very very nice and fun to be around.
kind like me
imo,
I say almost ALL Blackjack players are the worst casino patrons.
they tell others how to play, when they ruined the table by taking the dealer's bust card
and so on and on and on
Sally
Quote: mustangsallythe worst what?
what IS a 'role'?
"proper etiquette' imo
is when the dice are in the middle of the table. I have had dealers and boxmen tell me that personally.
never wait to buy in
thank you for sharing
Sally
When saying that craps players are the worst... This would be a colloquialism.
A 'ROLE' is a speech recognition typo on my phone. Sorry you did not figure that out.
Quote: RomesSo some guy was having a bad roll and a poor attitude and you took it upon yourself to start something (by laughing at him) then escalate it further when he reacts to your initial dig? Also glad to know it's the "worst he could have played it" when all the EV's were the same and the rolls were random. Hind Sight shouldn't tell you if you played right or wrong... Sounds like you have some karma comin your way?
p.s. I do agree that in general craps players really are the worse (at being polite to other gamblers).
You misread my post... I was minding my business and did not say anything until he made the remark to me about if I was going to just stand there. So no, I did not initiate.
And yes, he could not have played that roll any worse. If you understand craps and have seen the game you would know. Regardless of the randomness and EVof every roll.
Yes I do have karma coming my way. I still have a lifetime of repentance from my 20s!
do not be sorry.Quote: WatchMeWinWhen saying that craps players are the worst... This would be a colloquialism.
A 'ROLE' is a speech recognition typo on my phone. Sorry you did not figure that out.
again
proper etiquette
as you state as FACT, is false, in other words, I say you are 100% wrong
(you are stating just your opinion and nothing more BUT you fail to say it is your opinion)
buy-in when the dice are in the center of the table
that simple
the dealer will tell you what is up and if you have to wait
NEVER wait til the point is won or lost
that is such poor unsolicited advice, imo
I see you have lots of that kind of advice in past threads and posts too
well, thank you for sharing
sorry, you do not get it
Sally
I was playing DP once, know I should never pick it up but I had a feeling.
Guy who is showing his girl how to play tells me I cannot pick it up.
"Yes I can."
"No, you can't."
"Yes, I can."
Guy asks the dealer, who tells him I can. Guy emasculated himself in front of his girlfriend. I just go back to betting.
Guy on my other side asks what a DP bet is, I politely tell him.
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
The proper etiquette is determined by the casino and most crews are taught that a casinos job is to take a players money rather than have him stand there gawking with his money in his pocket instead of being at risk.Quote: WizardSo, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
So wait until the stickman has control of the dice and announce to your dealer your intentions. I announce the amount and say 'check change'. The Box and the Floor have jobs to do and they will do them, if the Stick has to hold the dice for a while so be it.
What may or may not have been proper etiquette decades ago is not relevant.
Most crews will speak to a man who swears and if a female is actually present at the table they may make it clear that their comment is not only his first warning but it is also his last warning even if that female is his own girl friend.
Some utterances are exclamations addressed to the dice or to Lady Luck, utterances addressed to crew, players or the table in general are less likely to be tolerated, even if the entire table consists of men from New Jersey who have played craps since infancy.
Quote: FleaStiffThe proper etiquette is determined by the casino and most crews are taught that a casinos job is to take a players money rather than have him stand there gawking with his money in his pocket instead of being at risk.
That's my experience.
I tend to hesitate if it's mid roll and the crew seems busy, but one of them almost always makes eye contact and indicates they can take the money and make change right away.
I still wait until the next come out roll to actually bet, of course.
Quote: Wizard
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
You can buy in anytime you like, however the craps diehards would rather people wait until prior to come out roll before they throw cash on the table and buy in. The reason is that there is a belief that buying in in the middle of a roll disrupt the flow.
If the table is really slow and there is not much of a flow going then I don't particularly mind since I am in and out so quickly anyway. But if I am staying on a table for whatever reason and I have a nice roll going and quick movements of the dice and the Box numbers are fluid , then I do not like if someone who cashes in the middle of my roll.
For the blackjack players here, do you like it when someone jumps into your table Mishu when you are on a streak? Presuming of course you are on a no mid shoe entry which answers the previous question anyway.
As long as I can remember, the proper way to buy- in has always been "wait til the dice are in the center of the table"Quote: WizardThe last time I played I subscribed to the etiquette about waiting for a come out roll to buy in.
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
It was in ALL of my Craps procedure books
(I dealt in Reno but was taught by a man who was taught by an old timer from Philly)
and I had to remind players of that unwritten rule many times (after Box chewed me out on it)
the Dealer will, after finishing dealing the game, will start to make the change
unless Box started it first.
Many tables now have No Box, so be it
I say to place your $$$ on the table when you SEE the dice are in the center
and await further instructions.
That IS totally RUDE when a player walks up, does not see where the dice are at, places their hand or hands in the table area with their cash, one or both of the dice hit them, or they just pissed off the shooter and
no one cares anymore. too much craps at Craps tables these days.
Too many Craps players are 'know-it-alls' and force their beliefs on others
happens all too often
enjoy
totally disagree with what you saidQuote: WatchMeWinYou can buy in anytime you like, however the craps diehards would rather people wait until prior to come out
the craps diehards would rather people wait until prior to come out
it is so wrong for so many reasons, but it is your opinion
as others have pointed out >>>>
but as others have said, thanks for sharing your opinion
math time
Sally, what is up?
Quote: WatchMeWinQuote: Wizard
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
You can buy in anytime you like, however the craps diehards would rather people wait until prior to come out roll before they throw cash on the table and buy in. The reason is that there is a belief that buying in in the middle of a roll disrupt the flow.
If the table is really slow and there is not much of a flow going then I don't particularly mind since I am in and out so quickly anyway. But if I am staying on a table for whatever reason and I have a nice roll going and quick movements of the dice and the Box numbers are fluid , then I do not like if someone who cashes in the middle of my roll.
For the blackjack players here, do you like it when someone jumps into your table Mishu when you are on a streak? Presuming of course you are on a no mid shoe entry which answers the previous question anyway.
* presuming you are NOT on a no mid shoe entry table
Btw, I would love if some of the gamemakers would create a no mid-roll entry craps table.. with no hop or prop bets either.
do it yourself and start your own casinoQuote: WatchMeWinBtw, I would love if some of the gamemakers would create a no mid-roll entry craps table.. with no hop or prop bets either.
I am 100% certain you have millions of others that think exactly like you
I have seen 'your type' at the Craps table too often
and they sure take away from the fun of playing Craps. at least my fun
do have fun as the saying goes
NFL starts soon as does NCAAF
where the real $$$ is at
enjoy
Quote: 7crapsdo it yourself and start your own casino
I am 100% certain you have millions of others that think exactly like you
I have seen 'your type' at the Craps table too often
and they sure take away from the fun of playing Craps. at least my fun
do have fun as the saying goes
NFL starts soon as does NCAAF
where the real $$$ is at
enjoy
Trust me.. If you spend time with me at the casino including the craps table, you would have an absolute blast! That's how we do!
In your own post you said that you laughed at him, and THEN he asked if you were just going to stand there...Quote: WatchMeWinYou misread my post... I was minding my business and did not say anything until he made the remark to me about if I was going to just stand there. So no, I did not initiate...
Your post:
So again, you definitely started it by laughing at someone who was clearly upset... which would upset just about anyone even more.Quote: WatchMeWinHe was cursing and saying all kinds of crazy shit and I just had to laugh out loud.
He gave me a dirty look and asked me if I was just going to stand there.
Quote: RomesIn your own post you said that you laughed at him, and THEN he asked if you were just going to stand there...
Your post:
So again, you definitely started it by laughing at someone who was clearly upset... which would upset just about anyone even more.
Again, I did not say a word and I observed minding my business. I did laugh after seeing his Miss moves and the numbers kept coming up that he moved off of. But my laugh could have been for any reason in his mind, I did not direct it towards him, I did not look at him,... The last Could Have Been Me watching so many numbers and me not being on the roll, the last could have been a laugh with the dealers who were smirking at me, etc.
Now when he directed his comment toward me and asked me if I was just going to stand there all day, now Houston we have a problem.
Besides, he knew he was an idiot.. He said it about 10 times during his roll.
Quote: WizardThe last time I played I subscribed to the etiquette about waiting for a come out roll to buy in. I was still standing there some ten rolls later at a crowded table and the dealer finally asked me, "Did you want to play?" I said that I was waiting for a come out roll, but the dealer strongly suggested I didn't have to wait.
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
I buy in whenever. This ‘ettiquette’ is BS. You toss your money in, the box moves it out of the way, counts it and the game is not interrupted. Players making center bets slow the game down much more than a buy in. Much more.
Maybe he's really smart but he didn't hydrate and had a poor night of sleep (clearly not at a holiday inn)...Quote: WatchMeWin...Besides, he knew he was an idiot.. He said it about 10 times during his roll.
Quote: RomesMaybe he's really smart but he didn't hydrate and had a poor night of sleep (clearly not at a holiday inn)...
Certainly not a holiday in... I wouldn't even considerate it a motel 6.. and actually he looked well hydrated but not from water.
Am I dating myself if I admit, I stayed at a motel 6, when it actually cost 6 dollars for the night?Quote: WatchMeWinCertainly not a holiday in... I wouldn't even considerate it a motel 6.. and actually he looked well hydrated but not from water.
Where is Tom Bodett?
Quote: GWAEUmm. You were being a poor neighbor at the table. If he was betting the dont then you should have bought in in the middle of the roll since you know it brings a 7.
Not so.. he was betting a few box numbers also so the seven made him lose also. It was just very poor craps playing
It's rude. Do it or don't, like it or not, it's rude. Some people get off on being rude.
Quote: petroglyphAm I dating myself if I admit, I stayed at a motel 6, when it actually cost 6 dollars for the night?
Where is Tom Bodett?
It's all what you make of it no matter where you are or what you do. I like to say that 'where we are is the place to be'.. name that movie.
I've slept in bushes outside of the Bellagio and I've slept in two story Penthouse Suites. I much rather be in the penthouse suite but I've always kept a smile on my face no matter where or what.. besides I've never been hit on by multiple women wearing 8 inch high heels, cake makeup, wig, and runniy pantyhose wild sleeping in my penthouse. Ha
Quote: WatchMeWinIt's all what you make of it no matter where you are or what you do. I like to say that 'where we are is the place to be'.. name that movie.
There is a similar quote in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, but not those exact words, to the best of my memory.
Quote: WizardThere is a similar quote in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, but not those exact words, to the best of my memory.
Haha...correctamundo!
Quote: WatchMeWin
For the blackjack players here, do you like it when someone jumps into your table Mishu when you are on a streak? Presuming of course you are on a no mid shoe entry which answers the previous question anyway.
It makes no difference to me. I'm not superstitious.
Quote: WizardThe last time I played I subscribed to the etiquette about waiting for a come out roll to buy in. I was still standing there some ten rolls later at a crowded table and the dealer finally asked me, "Did you want to play?" I said that I was waiting for a come out roll, but the dealer strongly suggested I didn't have to wait.
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
As a player I usually wait, but I also fold my buy-in money in thirds, put it between my index and middle finger, then make a soft fist. Similar to what you do at a busy bar. Idea being you are not being a jerk throwing money in, but you show the base dealer you are ready when he is. Usually he will see it and give you a que to buy in or show that he knows you are waiting and will get you when the time is right. Do it right and you look a manly guy who knows what he is doing.
As a party dealer I usually make people wait. Remembmber, I work a table alone and when I am busy I am way busy, breaking the action is a real pain there. But I will still break action if things are right to do so.
Quote: mustangsallyyou really mean the losing craps players
and I have played all over the world at many craps tables and the ones (players) that are winning are really very very nice and fun to be around.
kind like me
imo,
I say almost ALL Blackjack players are the worst casino patrons.
they tell others how to play, when they ruined the table by taking the dealer's bust card
and so on and on and on
Sally
I agree with you about this, Sally. I have met a few rude people at craps tables, and I have to say I think WMW's self-report OP would place him among them, but the real jerks and bullies play blackjack. Jamming the dealer, yelling at other players, snotty and sullen, bossing the table. ...ugh.
Really, WMW, are you one of those smug jerks who grinds it into people's faces when the dice aren't cooperating? Sorry to hear it.
Quote: beachbumbabsI agree with you about this, Sally. I have met a few rude people at craps tables, and I have to say I think WMW's self-report OP would place him among them, but the real jerks and bullies play blackjack. Jamming the dealer, yelling at other players, snotty and sullen, bossing the table. ...ugh.
Really, WMW, are you one of those smug jerks who grinds it into people's faces when the dice aren't cooperating? Sorry to hear it.
Not at all. I'm actually very friendly and everyone loves me! I've actually become good friends with many many dealers, post, Pit Boss and Executives over the years.
That being said, if someone ever makes a rude comment to me or gets in my face while throwing a first blow, I pack a strong punch and don't take any smack.
Quote: AZDuffmanAs a player I usually wait, but I also fold my buy-in money in thirds, put it between my index and middle finger, then make a soft fist. Similar to what you do at a busy bar. Idea being you are not being a jerk throwing money in, but you show the base dealer you are ready when he is. Usually he will see it and give you a que to buy in or show that he knows you are waiting and will get you when the time is right. Do it right and you look a manly guy who knows what he is doing.
That's pretty much my approach too, although I only fold the cash once. If however the dealer hasn't asked for my cash by the next come out roll, I'll toss it down on the table then.
Quote: WizardThe last time I played I subscribed to the etiquette about waiting for a come out roll to buy in. I was still standing there some ten rolls later at a crowded table and the dealer finally asked me, "Did you want to play?" I said that I was waiting for a come out roll, but the dealer strongly suggested I didn't have to wait.
So, I'm rethinking my policy on that. What do the die hard craps players say?
It depends on the shooter. Some are very particular about rhythm and other table conditions. Others don’t care if someone’s hands are hanging over the rail. I think about it as it’s the shooter’s turn to enjoy themself, so best to wait for a come out.
I have been at some tables where the box invites cheque change during hot rolls just to disrupt the shooter. I’ve seen refills come in on hot rolls with only $200 in chips, but the covered chip carrier sits on the table for a long time, just to give the shooter an extra obstacle. If the casino buys into these tactics, I don’t want to help them.
Quote: WatchMeWinFor the blackjack players here, do you like it when someone jumps into your table Mishu when you are on a streak? Presuming of course you are on a no mid shoe entry which answers the previous question anyway.
I personally don't mind. I'm not superstitious, but I do realize that other gamblers are. At a BJ table, I always wait until a new shoe to buy in, because I have no idea of the count of the previous shoe and don't want to play if the count is negative. I know that some of the people who often sit next to me might think that's my superstition, that I don't want to enter mid-shoe. (Normally I don't do back counting.)
