darkoz
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June 9th, 2018 at 6:56:12 PM permalink
Lightning launch roulette is a new electronic table game doing field trial at Ballys Wild West AC

This is 100% digital. No live ball

It is described as the first truly social roulette

That is four empty seats you are looking at

Did I mention the game ONLY SEATS FOUR PLAYERS

The social aspect is each player can shoot one of four colored balls. Red green blue and yellow i believe.

By shoot that means after wagering is completed a countdown timer gives 5 seconds for each player to separately launch their respective balls. After 5 seconds they shoot automatically

I guess everyone cheers on their color and takes credit when their ball causes their friends to win. Its really much ado about nothing.

When the balls a launched you are treated to a lightning launch animation

Note the lightning on the wheel sides

Playing the regular roulette aspects the game is the same as usual from what i could tell. However there is a side bet since there are 4 balls in play

You can bet \$1 straight up on any number. This is the only option and amount you can play for the bonus sidebet. You use the bonus chips icon to place the numbers

The bonus bet pays out on any number any of the 4 balls lands on so you can have up to 4 winning numbers per spin

The payouts are as follows

One ball in number pays 5:1 (instead of normal 35:1)

Two balls in same number pays 75:1

3 balls in same number pay 1000:1

All four balls in same number pays 10,000:1.

I suppose you can see why the max bet is \$1

Anyone want to do the math?

EDIT: to be clear the bonus bet if made launches all four balls.

If no one is making a bonus bet then only the color corresponding to that player e.g. (green ball for green player) launches

If multiple players are playing only the base game the winning balls is color corresponding. The green ball decides the wagers of the green player. Red only for the red player. Etc

Otherwise the game would be 35:1 with 4 winning possible balls. In which case i would be deleting this thread and running down with a couple grand to play :)
Last edited by: darkoz on Jun 9, 2018
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SM777
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June 9th, 2018 at 7:02:43 PM permalink
Will be interested to see how this does.
Jmarch79
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June 9th, 2018 at 7:11:06 PM permalink
Thanks for sharing. Interesting game.

Any idea if point accrual is the same as the other electronic roulette (\$20=1 point?)
darkoz
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June 9th, 2018 at 7:18:28 PM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

Thanks for sharing. Interesting game.

Any idea if point accrual is the same as the other electronic roulette (\$20=1 point?)

Yes that is correct. Same as all the other e-games at cet properties. Its clearly stated
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Jmarch79
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June 9th, 2018 at 7:45:44 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Yes that is correct. Same as all the other e-games at cet properties. Its clearly stated

The video blackjack in the WWW and Caesars was \$45=1 point on my last visit there. To clarify, the version with the virtual dealer.
darkoz
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June 9th, 2018 at 7:49:17 PM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

The video blackjack in the WWW and Cesars was \$45=1 point on my last visit there. To clarify, the version with the virtual dealer.

Wow. I didnt know that

Thats horrible
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Wizard
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June 9th, 2018 at 8:36:18 PM permalink
Thanks for the game report! Your report seems to indicate the odds are on a "to one" basis, which is very strange for an electronic game. For now, I'll analyze it both ways:

For one basis
Balls Pays Probability Return
4 10000 0.000000 0.004796
3 100 0.000071 0.007098
2 75 0.003939 0.295448
1 5 0.097170 0.485848
0 0 0.898820 0.000000
Return 1.000000 0.793190

This would indicate the player gets back 79.32% of money bet, for a house edge of 20.68%.

To one basis
Balls Pays Probability Return
4 10000 0.000000 0.004796
3 100 0.000071 0.007098
2 75 0.003939 0.295448
1 5 0.097170 0.485848
0 -1 0.898820 -0.898820
Return 1.000000 -0.105629

This indicates a house edge of 10.56%.

The 10.56% house edge seems more in line with industry norms. However, it would be quite unusual for a "slot" to pay on a "to one" basis. Can you confirm how the winning pays are expressed?

Update: This post incorrectly indicates 100 as the win for three winning balls, instead of 1,000. Please see this post for my corrected table.
Last edited by: Wizard on Dec 6, 2018
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darkoz
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June 9th, 2018 at 9:16:43 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks for the game report! Your report seems to indicate the odds are on a "to one" basis, which is very strange for an electronic game. For now, I'll analyze it both ways:

For one basis

Balls Pays Probability Return
4 10000 0.000000 0.004796
3 100 0.000071 0.007098
2 75 0.003939 0.295448
1 5 0.097170 0.485848
0 0 0.898820 0.000000
Return 1.000000 0.793190

This would indicate the player gets back 79.32% of money bet, for a house edge of 20.68%.

To one basis
Balls Pays Probability Return
4 10000 0.000000 0.004796
3 100 0.000071 0.007098
2 75 0.003939 0.295448
1 5 0.097170 0.485848
0 -1 0.898820 -0.898820
Return 1.000000 -0.105629

This indicates a house edge of 10.56%.

The 10.56% house edge seems more in line with industry norms. However, it would be quite unusual for a "slot" to pay on a "to one" basis. Can you confirm how the winning pays are expressed?

I will confirm when i pass by but i believe its for one not to one as you state

It was not expressed as odds if i remember correctly but as a statement "two balls pays \$75" etc. Which knowing e-games means "for"
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darkoz
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June 9th, 2018 at 9:51:14 PM permalink
Here is the payout image

Here is the wonderful business its doing

12:30 am on a saturday night

Note the packed regular e-roulette behind it

Doesnt bode well imo

EDIT: Note they did not list the single ball payout of \$5. I figured that out by taking a spin
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June 10th, 2018 at 3:44:57 AM permalink
delete
Last edited by: odiousgambit on Jun 10, 2018
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Wizard
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June 10th, 2018 at 9:55:57 AM permalink
I incorrectly put 100 as the win for three balls, as opposed to 1000. Here is my corrected table with pays on a "for one" basis.

Balls Pays Probability Return
4 10000 0.000000 0.004796
3 1000 0.000071 0.070979
2 75 0.003939 0.295448
1 5 0.097170 0.485848
0 0 0.898820 0.000000
Return 1.000000 0.857071

A return of 85.71% equates to a house edge of 14.29%. That seems more reasonable.
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MaxPen
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June 10th, 2018 at 10:06:21 AM permalink
Pretty sad when one considers a house edge of 14.29% reasonable.....lol😂
Wizard
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June 10th, 2018 at 10:09:58 AM permalink
Here is my new page on the Bonus Bet in Lightning Roulette. I assume it is okay to use your picture. Please note the attribution at the bottom of the page.
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darkoz
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June 10th, 2018 at 11:00:40 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here is my new page on the Bonus Bet in Lightning Roulette. I assume it is okay to use your picture. Please note the attribution at the bottom of the page.

Certainly. Glad to be of help

You made one error in triplicate. The number of balls in the bonus bet payout says 4 balls for each of the payouts. Im sure that was a copy n paste error
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Keyser
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June 10th, 2018 at 2:19:12 PM permalink
The game will be a flop.

Roulette players are sometimes a paranoid and conspiracy minded group of people. The first time they lose on this game they will view it as being rigged.
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June 10th, 2018 at 4:46:31 PM permalink
our place is installing this I believe.
get second you pig
Wizard
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June 10th, 2018 at 8:51:27 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You made one error in triplicate. The number of balls in the bonus bet payout says 4 balls for each of the payouts. Im sure that was a copy n paste error

Thanks for the permission on the picture. Good catch on that copy and paste error.
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Wizard
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December 6th, 2018 at 3:41:00 PM permalink
I just saw Lightning Launch roulette for the first time last night. I think it was at the Linq. Contrary to all posts in this thread, the game I observed paid as follows:

1 ball: 4 to 1
2 balls: 75 to 1
3 balls: 1000 to 1
4 balls: 10000 to 1

This equates to the same thing as previously reported by darkoz, except the player comes away with one extra unit for 2 or more balls, because he keeps his original bet.

This lowers the house edge from to 14.29% to 13.89%.
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December 6th, 2018 at 4:29:04 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This lowers the house edge from to 14.29% to 13.89%.

The attractiveness of this game is not likely to be the house edge data,
but instead the social nature of it such as for two couples prowling a
casino together or something like that.

They should have named it Group Roulette or something like that.

Its similar to those slot machines that have two chairs but one red button.