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So please click the link I just left and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play Dream Catcher?

p.s. The poll choice should say, "I wounded my elbow at Wounded Knee."

Quote:billryanI find the name offensive.

Yes, one of the most bizarre games names I've come across. I can't say that I'm offended. I'm skeptical that Indians, I mean Native Americans, used dream catchers on a regular basis. Not that I have a large circle of native American friends, but the only place I ever see them is in souvenir stores selling, allegedly, Indian crafts.

I assumed they hung the Dream Catcher backwards.

Should have stopped and said "hello". I've turned the Dream Catcher around.Quote:BozI assumed they hung the Dream Catcher backwards.

Seriously, I do not care for the name but will now go click on that link and see if I'm sober enough to understand anything.

If I am, I'll go have another drink.

the dealer spins the wheel

In the next part you might simply want to use the word "later" to indicate that the bets stand but the multiplier will be applied to a later or subsequent win.

That 52.45 stuff has to be more fully explained.

Product? Try sum.Quote:Wizard’s articleMy interpretation of this is that if the player gets more than one sequential multiplier then the final win shall be multiplied by the product of all preceding multipliers, without limit.

For example, hitting four 7x spots results in 28x, not 2401x.

While, technically, the game's press release is accurate that the player can win thousands, it would be a much longer shot than you are assuming.

I've seen multiple multipliers on some of the MyVegas games. Note that MyVegas games are free games. So if those games add the multipliers, you gotta know that real cash games also add them.

Quote:DJTeddyBearProduct? Try sum.

For example, hitting four 7x spots results in 28x, not 2401x.

While, technically, the game's press release is accurate that the player can win thousands, it would be a much longer shot than you are assuming.

I've seen multiple multipliers on some of the MyVegas games. Note that MyVegas games are free games. So if those games add the multipliers, you gotta know that real cash games also add them.

I can affirm it pays the product.

Not a fan of the edge, and I've always felt these wheel games are just a more boring version of Roulette.

As a big game fan, this looks boring

Any strategy?

I don't like games without strategy.

To me, a game without strategy or skill are pointless

I was gonna ask how you can be so sure. Then I saw the video.Quote:CrystalMathI can affirm it pays the product.Quote:DJTeddyBearProduct? Try sum.

For example, hitting four 7x spots results in 28x, not 2401x. ....

I stand corrected.

I’m shocked, but I stand corrected.

But even with that jackpot, I have no interest.

By the way... The name? It’s just a name. I don’t see how it’s disrespectful to Native Americans.

Quote:DJTeddyBear

By the way... The name? It’s just a name. I don’t see how it’s disrespectful to Native Americans.

It's not. But it's 2018, so everyone is offended by everything.

Quote:mipletAnd here is a 7x7x7 video

Thanks Miplet.

I just copied this from Wizard of Odds 'Some simple algebra shows that, assuming infinite possible multipliers, the average multiplier on any bet will be 52/45, or 1.15555. In other words, the player will win an extra 15.55% due to the multipliers.'

Can you demonstrate how this factor of 52/45 is calculated please. Thanks

It is cool that the pay table goes up and up in theory though. Would love to see that mechanic in other games with more strategy. Imagine sitting down to play UTH/blackjack/stud/baccarat and some particular hand or betting zone becomes a 10x+ play.

Quote:Eric123456Hi Wizard

I just copied this from Wizard of Odds 'Some simple algebra shows that, assuming infinite possible multipliers, the average multiplier on any bet will be 52/45, or 1.15555. In other words, the player will win an extra 15.55% due to the multipliers.'

Can you demonstrate how this factor of 52/45 is calculated please. Thanks

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I got this one...

The average multiplier is

52/54 x 1

1/54 x 52/54 x 2

1/54 x 52/54 x 7

(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 2 x 2

(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 2 x 7

(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 7 x 2

(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 7 x 7

(1/54)^3 x 52/54 x 2 x 2 x 2

(1/54)^3 x 52/54 x 2 x 2 x 7

(1/54)^3 x 52/54 x 2 x 7 x 2

and so on

This sums to 52/54 x the sum of:

1

1/54 x 9

(1/54)^2 x 9^2

(1/54)^3 x 9^3

and so on

This is 26/27 x (1 + 1/6 + (1/6)^2 + (1/6)^3 + ...)

= 26/27 x 1 / (1 - 1/6)

= 26/27 x 6/5

= 52/45