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May 15th, 2018 at 7:57:01 PM permalink
I just did a new page on the game Dream Catcher. It is pretty much Big Six with two multipliers added to the wheel. What makes this game somewhat interesting is there is no cap on the maximum win. In theory, the player could win billions of dollars on a $1 bet.

So please click the link I just left and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play Dream Catcher?



p.s. The poll choice should say, "I wounded my elbow at Wounded Knee."
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May 15th, 2018 at 8:53:08 PM permalink
I find the name offensive. For that alone, I pass. Not trying to sidetrack discussion. Just responding .
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May 15th, 2018 at 9:05:36 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I find the name offensive.



Yes, one of the most bizarre games names I've come across. I can't say that I'm offended. I'm skeptical that Indians, I mean Native Americans, used dream catchers on a regular basis. Not that I have a large circle of native American friends, but the only place I ever see them is in souvenir stores selling, allegedly, Indian crafts.

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May 15th, 2018 at 9:18:45 PM permalink
Offended is too strong. I wont play it because it doesn't appeal to me.
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May 16th, 2018 at 5:17:28 AM permalink
The odds are at least significantly better than the Big Six.
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May 16th, 2018 at 5:32:26 AM permalink
I recently saw a Dream Catcher hanging in a 87 Chevy Cavalier in a Walmart parking lot. The car had a bumper hanging on with bungees, a window covered with a trash bad and it looked like someone lived in the car.

I assumed they hung the Dream Catcher backwards.
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May 16th, 2018 at 5:38:56 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

I assumed they hung the Dream Catcher backwards.

Should have stopped and said "hello". I've turned the Dream Catcher around.
Seriously, I do not care for the name but will now go click on that link and see if I'm sober enough to understand anything.
If I am, I'll go have another drink.
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May 16th, 2018 at 5:44:40 AM permalink
>the dealer shall spin the wheel
the dealer spins the wheel

In the next part you might simply want to use the word "later" to indicate that the bets stand but the multiplier will be applied to a later or subsequent win.

That 52.45 stuff has to be more fully explained.
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:04:54 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard痴 article

My interpretation of this is that if the player gets more than one sequential multiplier then the final win shall be multiplied by the product of all preceding multipliers, without limit.

Product? Try sum.

For example, hitting four 7x spots results in 28x, not 2401x.

While, technically, the game's press release is accurate that the player can win thousands, it would be a much longer shot than you are assuming.

I've seen multiple multipliers on some of the MyVegas games. Note that MyVegas games are free games. So if those games add the multipliers, you gotta know that real cash games also add them.
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:21:57 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Product? Try sum.

For example, hitting four 7x spots results in 28x, not 2401x.

While, technically, the game's press release is accurate that the player can win thousands, it would be a much longer shot than you are assuming.

I've seen multiple multipliers on some of the MyVegas games. Note that MyVegas games are free games. So if those games add the multipliers, you gotta know that real cash games also add them.



I can affirm it pays the product.
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:28:54 AM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath


I can affirm it pays the product.


And here is a 7x7x7 video

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May 16th, 2018 at 8:48:13 AM permalink
I'll pass.

Not a fan of the edge, and I've always felt these wheel games are just a more boring version of Roulette.
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May 16th, 2018 at 9:13:11 AM permalink
No interest
As a big game fan, this looks boring
Any strategy?
I don't like games without strategy.
To me, a game without strategy or skill are pointless
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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May 16th, 2018 at 8:16:50 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Product? Try sum.

For example, hitting four 7x spots results in 28x, not 2401x. ....

I can affirm it pays the product.

I was gonna ask how you can be so sure. Then I saw the video.

I stand corrected.

I知 shocked, but I stand corrected.


But even with that jackpot, I have no interest.


By the way... The name? It痴 just a name. I don稚 see how it痴 disrespectful to Native Americans.
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May 17th, 2018 at 5:25:28 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear



By the way... The name? It痴 just a name. I don稚 see how it痴 disrespectful to Native Americans.



It's not. But it's 2018, so everyone is offended by everything.
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May 17th, 2018 at 5:56:32 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

And here is a 7x7x7 video



Thanks Miplet.
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March 3rd, 2024 at 11:00:43 AM permalink
Hi Wizard

I just copied this from Wizard of Odds 'Some simple algebra shows that, assuming infinite possible multipliers, the average multiplier on any bet will be 52/45, or 1.15555. In other words, the player will win an extra 15.55% due to the multipliers.'

Can you demonstrate how this factor of 52/45 is calculated please. Thanks
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March 17th, 2024 at 1:35:44 PM permalink
It's so easy to rig a physical wheel like this,or not keep up proper maintenance on it. I don't think I'd ever trust the outcomes of these things. In roulette we know back in the old, old days that wheels were rigged. In modern times we know that professional dealers develop a rhythm for their flick that arguably means the ball is landing in a certain zone more often than a different zone. Obviously if you can work out the imperfections and exploit that, great news! The problem is that is incredibly difficult to do so and all it takes is proper maintenance or some new addendum to 'fix' that issue.

It is cool that the pay table goes up and up in theory though. Would love to see that mechanic in other games with more strategy. Imagine sitting down to play UTH/blackjack/stud/baccarat and some particular hand or betting zone becomes a 10x+ play.
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March 17th, 2024 at 1:59:23 PM permalink
Quote: Eric123456

Hi Wizard

I just copied this from Wizard of Odds 'Some simple algebra shows that, assuming infinite possible multipliers, the average multiplier on any bet will be 52/45, or 1.15555. In other words, the player will win an extra 15.55% due to the multipliers.'

Can you demonstrate how this factor of 52/45 is calculated please. Thanks
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I got this one...
The average multiplier is
52/54 x 1
1/54 x 52/54 x 2
1/54 x 52/54 x 7
(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 2 x 2
(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 2 x 7
(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 7 x 2
(1/54)^2 x 52/54 x 7 x 7
(1/54)^3 x 52/54 x 2 x 2 x 2
(1/54)^3 x 52/54 x 2 x 2 x 7
(1/54)^3 x 52/54 x 2 x 7 x 2
and so on

This sums to 52/54 x the sum of:
1
1/54 x 9
(1/54)^2 x 9^2
(1/54)^3 x 9^3
and so on

This is 26/27 x (1 + 1/6 + (1/6)^2 + (1/6)^3 + ...)
= 26/27 x 1 / (1 - 1/6)
= 26/27 x 6/5
= 52/45
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