Venthus
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April 29th, 2018 at 11:32:43 PM permalink
It's been around for the last few months at Morongo, but I haven't seen any mention of it here, nor any flavor of it on the Baccarat Side Bets page so figured I'd post the info card here. (And not even try to explain it, since after staring at the description hanging over my head for 15 minutes, I still didn't get it...)

https://imgur.com/a/3jxpMox
Each of the bets are independent.
GlenG
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May 1st, 2018 at 5:21:54 AM permalink
Monkey 7 and Dragon 7 are the exact same.

the other ones are kinda weird..but sure i guess
gamerfreak
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May 1st, 2018 at 9:24:28 AM permalink
What is a monkey card?

It sounds like the game uses a special deck....
Venthus
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May 1st, 2018 at 10:18:37 AM permalink
Actually, that's something I could use clarification on too. I recall hearing from somewhere (maybe a misinformed dream; I've been sleep-deprived lately which leads to all kinds of fun...) that it's just JQK and T doesn't count for the purposes of this.
Wizard
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May 1st, 2018 at 10:39:15 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

What is a monkey card?

It sounds like the game uses a special deck....

I think so too. The Grand Monkey bet pays 5000 to 1 on "six monkeys." If any zero-point card were a monkey, which I thought was the vernacular, then the probability of winning would be combin(128,6)/combin(416,6) = 1 in 1,280. Player advantage of 291%.

These side bets look very countable.

As a hunch, I worked this out if only the face cards were Monkeys. Probability of winning of 1 in 7,489. House edge of 33.2%.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
gamerfreak
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May 1st, 2018 at 11:07:07 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think so too. The Grand Monkey bet pays 5000 to 1 on "six monkeys." If any zero-point card were a monkey, which I thought was the vernacular, then the probability of winning would be combin(128,6)/combin(416,6) = 1 in 1,280. Player advantage of 291%.

These side bets look very countable.

As a hunch, I worked this out if only the face cards were Monkeys. Probability of winning of 1 in 7,489. House edge of 33.2%.

Upon further research, I think a Monkey card is a face card or a 10
Wizard
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May 1st, 2018 at 11:11:00 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Upon further research, I think a Monkey card is a face card or a 10

Can you expand upon the research you did? As I just wrote, the player (person playing the game, not the bet) would have a 291% advantage if this were true.

Here is my analysis of the other bets assuming Monkeys are J-K only:

Monkey Tie: house edge of 12.3%
Monkey 6: house edge of 23.1%

These house edges also fall in the normal range for side bets, although the Monkey 6 is rather high.
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gamerfreak
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May 1st, 2018 at 12:16:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can you expand upon the research you did? As I just wrote, the player (person playing the game, not the bet) would have a 291% advantage if this were true.

Sorry I think you are correct - I was on mobile and not reading carefully.
jopke
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May 1st, 2018 at 4:02:52 PM permalink
Monkey is face card only, 10 doesn't count as a monkey.

Also, the 5000:1 bet has a min/max of \$1.
Wizard
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May 1st, 2018 at 4:13:18 PM permalink
Quote: jopke

Monkey is face card only, 10 doesn't count as a monkey.

Also, the 5000:1 bet has a min/max of \$1.

Thanks!
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Wizard
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May 1st, 2018 at 5:25:46 PM permalink
Just put together a page on WoO on Monkey Baccarat.

As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
Venthus
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May 1st, 2018 at 7:24:08 PM permalink
I'll, uh, repost a better image when I get home if I didn't already destroy the info card. (Wasn't quite expecting it to be posted on the site proper. Whoops!)
Wizard
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May 1st, 2018 at 7:40:27 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

I'll, uh, repost a better image when I get home if I didn't already destroy the info card. (Wasn't quite expecting it to be posted on the site proper. Whoops!)

No apology necessary. It was my choice to post it, lacking anything better. I would be grateful for a better picture, if you can.
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Venthus
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May 1st, 2018 at 8:49:54 PM permalink
https://imgur.com/a/FN0GZES or https://i.imgur.com/aoCX6s6.jpg

Today I learned: My new computer actually works with my scanner, so it actually took more time and effort to take a photo and post it, rather than scanning it.
Wizard