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April 25th, 2017 at 4:28:59 PM permalink
I'm just cranking out new pages aren't I? The latest one is 3 Card Brag. This is much the same as Three Card Poker with some terminology changes and minor rule changes. The good news is it follows the liberal pay table and the rule changes cut in favor of the player overall.

Please have a look and let me know what you think. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play 3 Card Brag?

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April 25th, 2017 at 4:35:49 PM permalink
NO. "Brag" is off putting and the table's not legible enough (at least in this photo).
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April 25th, 2017 at 7:10:53 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

NO. "Brag" is off putting and the table's not legible enough (at least in this photo).



There is a card game called brag but I have never knowingly ever seen anybody play it. I'm still hoping for a Cribbage revival. I don't know a single person here in Vegas who plays.
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April 25th, 2017 at 7:38:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There is a card game called brag but I have never knowingly ever seen anybody play it. I'm still hoping for a Cribbage revival. I don't know a single person here in Vegas who plays.



I play, and have for over 50 years (not that I claim any special expertise). I will be happy to give you a game any time. Could even play head to head remotely If you like, though it's not quite as much fun. Money or just for fun.

My grandpa taught me cribbage as a kid, and my grandma taught me canasta. We grew up as card playin' fools. My mom used to win her lunch money playing Honeywell engineers in Hearts nearly every day. Poker, Big Casino, Gin Rummy, Whist as kids, then Bridge in college. Skipped Old Maid for the most part when we were little, but we did play War, Slapjack, Go Fish, and s!#/ on your Neighbor a lot, too.

Might be a fun split-off thread: at what age did you learn these (list a bunch) games and how often did you play?
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April 25th, 2017 at 7:53:46 PM permalink
I've only seen people play Poker, Gin, and Bridge on in a regular basis.

I never took the time to learn, but Bridge seems very complex.
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April 25th, 2017 at 10:28:09 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There is a card game called brag....

I first saw what we now know as 3CP on the Isle of Man but it was called Brag (or Casino Brag). Back then England Wales and Scotland had strict rules on games allowed in the UK but this didn't cover the Isle of Man. I can't remember if they had the 333 rule or the sidebet.
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April 26th, 2017 at 3:27:16 AM permalink
If I can see one or more of the dealer's hole cards, yeah, I'll play it. :)
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April 26th, 2017 at 6:52:35 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There is a card game called brag but I have never knowingly ever seen anybody play it. I'm still hoping for a Cribbage revival. I don't know a single person here in Vegas who plays.



I was introduced a casino table game version of cribbage ("Casino Cribbage") by a developer not to long ago. I believe he is still attempting to gain access to a floor with it.
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April 26th, 2017 at 7:56:51 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I was introduced a casino table game version of cribbage ("Casino Cribbage") by a developer not to long ago. I believe he is still attempting to gain access to a floor with it.



I've seen people with cribbage-based games at the gaming shows twice. As much as I like cribbage, not enough people know the rules to be successful as a casino game. In my opinion, the idea is dead on arrival.
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April 26th, 2017 at 1:31:00 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've seen people with cribbage-based games at the gaming shows twice. As much as I like cribbage, not enough people know the rules to be successful as a casino game. In my opinion, the idea is dead on arrival.



The rules were very complicated. I didn't know cribbage before seeing it, and I didst now what was really going on... So I unfortunately agree...
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April 26th, 2017 at 1:49:37 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

The rules were very complicated. I didn't know cribbage before seeing it, and I didst now what was really going on... So I unfortunately agree...



Another issue is dealer scoring errors would be every other hand, unless the dealer was a experienced Cribbage player. Even I miscount a hand from time to time.
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April 29th, 2017 at 8:38:15 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I've only seen people play Poker, Gin, and Bridge on in a regular basis.

I never took the time to learn, but Bridge seems very complex.



Euchre is a somewhat popular home card game in my area. You'll also see a bunch of middle-aged people playing it on card nights and at Panera Bread and the like.
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April 29th, 2017 at 9:25:03 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak



I never took the time to learn, but Bridge seems very complex.



Someone taught me Bridge about 25 years ago and I thought it was the most boring card game I've ever played. Played it for about half an hour and then never again. I think Hearts and Spades are much more fun games in that genre.
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April 29th, 2017 at 3:46:54 PM permalink
I love bridge. Hard to find exactly 4 people sometimes. Still lots of duplicate (competition playing same hands) clubs around, but they're literally dying with the mostly older people in them.

There is no better card game for challenging your skills in either planning out your play and trapping your opponents, or attacking your opponent's contract. Hearts, spades, Whist are all simpler games in the same family. It's not about what you're dealt, it's about your skill in playing it out.

Bidding is complicated and arcane these days, and kills a lot of people's interest in the game, but you can use a basic (called Standard) system and do fine. The card play is the most fun, and the part that gets all the coverage in the newspaper columns.
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April 29th, 2017 at 4:16:39 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Bidding is complicated and arcane these days,

As a kid my parents would always allow me to bid in bridge but was then always the Dummy. Needless to say, I didn't play much bridge at all after that introduction to it.
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April 30th, 2017 at 2:32:28 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

...bridge...they're literally dying with the mostly older people in them...

I play bridge and every year use it as an excuse to get together with someone I used to work with. I prefer teams of four - your team plays both the good cards and bad cards and so compare how you got on with the other team (say over 24 boards). As you say clubs are closing as people get older and few younger players are coming along.

btw a fun game is nomination which handles about 3-5 people. You each get dealt N cards (typically 10) and a random trump suit chosen (usually the next card) - then in turn guess how many tricks you will win (except dealer can't bid (N-total already bid). You get a point for each trick won plus 10 bonus points for guessing correctly. Repeat with N varying down (to say 1) and back to 10. The fun bit is where there is underbidding and some tricks don't want to be won and the skill is not winning tricks.
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April 30th, 2017 at 8:31:39 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

I play bridge and every year use it as an excuse to get together with someone I used to work with. I prefer teams of four - your team plays both the good cards and bad cards and so compare how you got on with the other team (say over 24 boards). As you say clubs are closing as people get older and few younger players are coming along.

btw a fun game is nomination which handles about 3-5 people. You each get dealt N cards (typically 10) and a random trump suit chosen (usually the next card) - then in turn guess how many tricks you will win (except dealer can't bid (N-total already bid). You get a point for each trick won plus 10 bonus points for guessing correctly. Repeat with N varying down (to say 1) and back to 10. The fun bit is where there is underbidding and some tricks don't want to be won and the skill is not winning tricks.



We play a rule in Spades that's sort of similar, where you get your bid value x10, and over tricks x1. So when you get a total of 10 overtricks, you lose 80 points to 100 (depends on what people want to play) for underbidding. We also.sometimes play dealer drop for whatever is not bid. Fun rules.
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May 1st, 2017 at 8:31:15 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Someone taught me Bridge about 25 years ago and I thought it was the most boring card game I've ever played. Played it for about half an hour and then never again. I think Hearts and Spades are much more fun games in that genre.



I gave bridge the old college try. Played about 100 games with patient experienced players to explain the nuances of bidding. However, the secret language of bidding was just too complicated. I prefer games like chess or poker where the rules are simple but the complexity of strategy is almost infinite. To me, the bidding part of bridge ruins the game for beginners. It will be a dead game in 25 years. People who might be alive 25 years from now, including me, at least I hope to be included in that group, have no patience for it.
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May 1st, 2017 at 8:39:47 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Euchre is a somewhat popular home card game in my area. You'll also see a bunch of middle-aged people playing it on card nights and at Panera Bread and the like.


We used to play this all night.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 2:23:44 PM permalink
Is there a 'game mechanism' reason 3-3-3 is the highest "Prial"? Why not 7-7-7? Given that, why isn't 3-3-A superior to A-A-3?
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May 3rd, 2017 at 7:01:44 PM permalink
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Is there a 'game mechanism' reason 3-3-3 is the highest "Prial"? Why not 7-7-7? Given that, why isn't 3-3-A superior to A-A-3?



I don't know. Maybe someone who knows the rules to real Brag can shed some light on it.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:24:42 PM permalink
Gee, fifty percent voted for that doughnut (English and German) combined. Strange.

As for Bridge, I don't think it will die out.
Dormitories, graduate schools, military bases all have non-stop bridge games. Yachties always have a deck of cards though gin rummy seems to be the most popular game. Even a Panama Bingo game for Tupperware-like prizes had people with playing cards all night long, some of them playing bridge.

Things change. Been a long time since Faro was played but it was all over the American West and the Hollywood Movies.

Considering trends in computer games, slot machines may soon become more akin to team efforts. Many slot machines now have 'couples seating'. I think those predicting the death of Bridge are going to have a long wait.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:41:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't know. Maybe someone who knows the rules to real Brag can shed some light on it.



It's tradition. The hand rankings are just based around 3. Every card game has seen variations on hand rankings, not unusual.
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:22:35 AM permalink
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