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The question for the poll is would you play Turbo Football?
We're you time traveling?
Did you enjoy it Mike?
Quote: #8If the sum of the footballs between the nine cards is six more more and the player did not already win per rule 3, then the First Down bet, plus any double, shall pay 1 to 1. Otherwise, if the sum is five or less, then they shall lose.
This game sounds like fun. I would give it a try. What is the table min/max?
Quote: mrsuit31So all that matters are spades and this is a modified deck? Interesting... Why keep the regular deck at all?
Yes, what's on the playing card means nothing. They could have used cards with nothing but 0, 1, 2, or 4 footballs.
Quote:Did you enjoy it Mike?
I'm just the math guy.
Quote: mrsuit31I believe it's turbo sports... That's what it says on the game trial page.
The rack card says "Turbo Sports Football Edition." However, that is quite a mouthful. The other side says" Football," "Turbo", and "It's Fun!!"
The table felt doesn't help either. I think this game still needs a proper title.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIn the First Down analysis where it's paid 3:2 if the first three cards have 6 or more football's, how do you get 204,097,124 combinations out of a single deck with only three cards dealt?
That includes the other combin(49,3)=18,424 ways to get the next six cards. I know they don't matter, but I like to keep the combinations in the same scale with each other. I know some other gaming mathematicians don't base everything on the same denominator, which drives me crazy.
Quote: WizardI think this game still needs a proper title.
Agreed
Quote: mrsuit31So all that matters are spades and this is a modified deck? Interesting... Why keep the regular deck at all?
I second this. I mean, I saw the Wiz's answer that the other cards mean nothing, but this was the only part of the article that didn't make immediate sense to me.
With an autoshuffler (pai gow poker esque) you could get in as many hands as blackjack. Fair game, fair side bets, I might have to make a detour and patronize it.
Quote: ahiromuI second this. I mean, I saw the Wiz's answer that the other cards mean nothing, but this was the only part of the article that didn't make immediate sense to me.
With an autoshuffler (pai gow poker esque) you could get in as many hands as blackjack. Fair game, fair side bets, I might have to make a detour and patronize it.
Keeping the other cards lends familiarity to the game, and probably keeps costs down since you don't need to manufacture specially constructed cards made from scratch.
I am curious if the recommendation to stand on 2 balls and double on 3 is a close shave. Also, does having information about other player's holdings change the play?
Quote: AyecarumbaKeeping the other cards lends familiarity to the game, and probably keeps costs down since you don't need to manufacture specially constructed cards made from scratch.
You still need the modified deck. I understand the familiarity statement, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the game.
The funny thing is that, a fully novel deck of cards would be the smart way to go about it from a patent standpoint. That would probably get them over the patent-ability hump under Smith. Hope they thought of that when submitting their application.
Quote: mrsuit31Mike, are the additional six cards dealt to players individually after the initial 3 community cards and players place their play wagers or are they also community cards?
Each player gets his own six cards.
Quote: AyecarumbaKeeping the other cards lends familiarity to the game, and probably keeps costs down since you don't need to manufacture specially constructed cards made from scratch.
They still have to create cards with the football images on them.
Quote:I am curious if the recommendation to stand on 2 balls and double on 3 is a close shave. Also, does having information about other player's holdings change the play?
The double/stand decision is based on only three community cards. The additional six cards dealt to each player doesn't happen until after everybody has made a decision.
I'll add something to my page shortly showing the expected value of each stand/double decision. Some are close.
I believe Mike never wants to see a safety =P.Quote: FDEAD3709What drives me crazy is there is no bet for a safety. Of course, some people might not be attracted to such a bet!
Could be a fun/interesting game. So ALL of the other cards that aren't spades are worthless?
Quote: RomesSo ALL of the other cards that aren't spades are worthless?
Yep.
Quote: ahiromuWith an autoshuffler (pai gow poker esque) you could get in as many hands as blackjack.
I missed this comment before.... There is absolutely no chance this even comes close to the speed of BJ.
3 community cards get dealt. Then a player decision. Then six cards get dealt to players who get to squeeze/look at them. Then the dealer has to resolve a number of wagers. This will not come close to the speed of blackjack. I see this more of the speed of UTH, miss stud or many other multi decision games.
Rule 8 reads:
"8. If the sum of the footballs between the nine cards is six or more and the player did not already win per Rule 3, then the First Down bet, plus any double, shall pay 1 to 1. Otherwise, if the sum is five or less, then they shall lose."
I believe it is supposed to read :
"8. If the sum of the footballs between the nine cards is six or more and the player did not already win per Rule 5, then the First Down bet, plus any double, shall pay 1 to 1. Otherwise, if the sum is five or less, then they shall lose."
Quote: mrsuit31Also, an edit for the rules page Mike.
Thanks, you're right.
Maybe for rule #6, state that the player may also stand and let their initial 1st down wager ride...
It's a little ambiguous as is. I assume that they may double their bet or fold. Maybe clarify that there is no folding, and no need to buy the additional six cards to complete the hand.
Just a thought....
Quote: mrsuit31I missed this comment before.... There is absolutely no chance this even comes close to the speed of BJ.
3 community cards get dealt. Then a player decision. Then six cards get dealt to players who get to squeeze/look at them. Then the dealer has to resolve a number of wagers. This will not come close to the speed of blackjack. I see this more of the speed of UTH, miss stud or many other multi decision games.
Oh the last six cards are personal/unique? I skimmed it too fast then.
Quote: ahiromuOh the last six cards are personal/unique? I skimmed it too fast then.
I believe the steps are:
-Place a first down and other desired side bets
-three community cards come (6+ footballs wins 3/2)
-if less than six footballs either let your 1st down bet ride or double it.
-get/review your own additional six cards and hope to win.
I'll let mike confirm if that is correct... I could be wrong.
Quote: mrsuit31I believe the steps are:
-Place a first down and other desired side bets
-three community cards come (6+ footballs wins 3/2)
-if less than six footballs either let your 1st down bet ride or double it.
-get/review your own additional six cards and hope to win.
I'll let mike confirm if that is correct... I could be wrong.
No, you are right, at least in the way it was written. Seems like a ton of time could have been saved by keeping everything community.
Quote: mrsuit31I believe the steps are:
-Place a first down and other desired side bets
-three community cards come (6+ footballs wins 3/2)
-if less than six footballs either let your 1st down bet ride or double it.
-get/review your own additional six cards and hope to win.
I'll let mike confirm if that is correct... I could be wrong.
That is correct. I'm open to suggestions if my wording is unclear.
Quote: Wizard
The question for the poll is would you play Turbo Football?
Wiz,
Could be fun. Best case, bet $1 (as a simple example) on the First Down bet and each of the four bonus bets, and the player could win a maximum of $522 for a total combined bet of $5 (if I understand the rules correctly).
But, the thing that strikes me is this: If I win $522 because I'm hogging all the good football spades, that limits the opportunity for other players to win, right? So, the casino knows someone might win, but it would be hard for all players at the table to win any given hand. That limits the overall exposure of the casino.
So, my question to all the math wizzes is this: Assuming a $1 bet is the minimum base bet, what is the MAXIMUM loss the casino can suffer in any given hand, and under what conditions does it occur? I dunno how many folks can sit at the table, but there are sufficient cards for as many as 7 players.
Quote: LuckyPhowWiz,
Could be fun. Best case, bet $1 (as a simple example) on the First Down bet and each of the four bonus bets, and the player could win a maximum of $522 for a total combined bet of $5 (if I understand the rules correctly).
But, the thing that strikes me is this: If I win $522 because I'm hogging all the good football spades, that limits the opportunity for other players to win, right? So, the casino knows someone might win, but it would be hard for all players at the table to win any given hand. That limits the overall exposure of the casino.
So, my question to all the math wizzes is this: Assuming a $1 bet is the minimum base bet, what is the MAXIMUM loss the casino can suffer in any given hand, and under what conditions does it occur? I dunno how many folks can sit at the table, but there are sufficient cards for as many as 7 players.
Edit: The three card community could have 9 footballs which would crush the house as all 7 players would collect the $500 from the 9-card bonus, Three players could get to 14 footballs and the other four would win on the first level based on the initial three cards. Total player win would be $3,610.50 (assuming the 3:2 on the First Down paid correctly on a $1 wager).
Quote: mrsuit31The trial was set to conclude on the 8th of this month... Does anyone know the status of the game, still on the floor etc......?
I don't know. Would be interested to know how it did.
In other news, I finally got around to scanning the rule card:
side 1
side 2
