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MathExtremist
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May 8th, 2016 at 5:57:09 PM permalink
I know what you mean, and Washington's games work the same way, but in those games the cards don't determine the game result at all. It's just a display mechanism for the ticket value coming across the wire.
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Wizardofnothing
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May 8th, 2016 at 6:01:59 PM permalink
It's absolutely hysterical in New York to watch people actually debating which cards to hold and the ones who even waste time hitting the hold button when the result is exactly the same if you just discarded all 5 cards and redrew- you would end up with the same hand
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MathExtremist
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May 8th, 2016 at 6:30:06 PM permalink
Or at a minimum, the same value. It's funny to play the electronic pull-tab VP games and throw away part of a winning hand. Sometimes the game has to resort to back-bending machinations to display the predetermined award. E.g., you get 4 of a kind, hold only 2, then what? Usually it's a wheel spin or magic fairy or something.
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Ibeatyouraces
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May 8th, 2016 at 6:50:19 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

...E.g., you get 4 of a kind, hold only 2, then what? Usually it's a wheel spin or magic fairy or something.


Get dealt Kh, Ks, Kd, Kc, Ac and say "screw it, I'm going for the royal" and only hold Kc, Ac.
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May 8th, 2016 at 7:02:20 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I know what you mean, and Washington's games work the same way, but in those games the cards don't determine the game result at all. It's just a display mechanism for the ticket value coming across the wire.

First time I visited a washington casino I seen the paytable and got excited for a second but I knew something had to be wrong because it was similar to 10/7 double bonus but better(probably 2 on 2 pair). I ran it and IIRC it came back @ 110%. I knew even regulars would crush that fairly quick.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 8th, 2016 at 7:39:25 PM permalink
If the machine is really cheating, your source would be busy collecting evidence and blackmailing the casino, instead of going around telling anyone who would bother to listen.

And I had a problem understanding your logic: The casino or ShuffleMaster never made a claim that their machine is clean so they are suspicious. Everything is NOT illegal until they make a claim. So the casino is only breaking the law because they lied, and not because they use a cheating device ?
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May 9th, 2016 at 9:50:28 AM permalink
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If the machine is really cheating, your source would be busy collecting evidence and blackmailing the casino, instead of going around telling anyone who would bother to listen.


Blackmail is illegal. I literally have never met anyone in my life that I think would be so crooked and stupid as to attempt to blackmail a casino. Is that something that you, andysif, would really consider doing?

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And I had a problem understanding your logic: The casino or ShuffleMaster never made a claim that their machine is clean so they are suspicious. Everything is NOT illegal until they make a claim. So the casino is only breaking the law because they lied, and not because they use a cheating device ?


A wise person listens not only to what is said, they also pay attention to what is not said.

I am surprised, as a general matter, that the casino industry never advertises the kind of things that it does to assure that games are honest. Indeed, they apparently never even claim in any public statements that the games are honest. I am listening to what is not said, and it does make me wonder.

So, for example, I would think that Shufflemaster would simply mention, in public disclosure statements to investors, etc, that all their automated shuffler products are subjected to independent testing and certification. And I would think that Bally's would mention, in their corporate literature, that all the games in their casinos are subjected to extensive independent testing and certification to assure they are completely fair. These are the kinds of statements that companies of all kind routinely make.

Of course, the absence of such statements wouldn't necessarily mean that they occasionally cheat. But, I think its reasonable to ask if they actually do make such statements, Okay?
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Wizardofnothing
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May 9th, 2016 at 9:56:02 AM permalink
I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the original poster
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May 9th, 2016 at 10:02:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the original poster



I have no doubts whatsoever that he isn't legitimate.
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May 9th, 2016 at 10:07:42 AM permalink
A wise person listens not only to what is said, they also pay attention to what is not said.


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