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September 28th, 2018 at 4:00:06 PM permalink
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Shuffle Masters is owned by Bally. A Bally representative told me personally that these machines can read the cards they all have cameras inside them. If you look at the machines they are mini computers. They have computer components and Lil computer fans to keep them cool. This isn't
rocket science people! Telll me people how does a computer work? ITS PROGRAMMED!!!!!!!!The Bally representative also told me that these machines can be REMOTELY PROGRAMED 🚩🚩 🚩 🚩🚩 🚩🚩 🚩 OF COURSE THESE CASINO S ARE CHEATING US. THIS WHOLE IDEA OF A AP IS A WEAK EXCUSE BECAUSE NOW ITS FINALLY COMING OUT AND THEY CANT HIDE IT. THE FACT IS THAT THEY DO THIS TO ANYONE AND.EVERYONE WHENEVER THEY FEEL LIKE!



Either you are exaggerating or the Bally Rep is. They can not be remotely programmed. Not all shufflers have card readers in them. There are no shufflers that can spot out chosen cards in deal mode.

Your false accusations are nothing new. Nothing is finally coming out. We've heard from a dozen just like you with no proof. I've seen the inside of the shuffler. I've seen the shuffler manuals. I've seen 3rd party testing results on how the shufflers function and what they are capable of. None of this, not one shred points to any manipulation or cheating. If it did I would expose it and make WAY more than my annual salary. So would a low level Bally employee.


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I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
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September 28th, 2018 at 4:27:24 PM permalink
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Either you are exaggerating or the Bally Rep is. They can not be remotely programmed. Not all shufflers have card readers in them. There are no shufflers that can spot out chosen cards in deal mode.

Your false accusations are nothing new. Nothing is finally coming out. We've heard from a dozen just like you with no proof. I've seen the inside of the shuffler. I've seen the shuffler manuals. I've seen 3rd party testing results on how the shufflers function and what they are capable of. None of this, not one shred points to any manipulation or cheating. If it did I would expose it and make WAY more than my annual salary. So would a low level Bally employee.


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Want to pass a manual my way or was it the one to six csm if it’s an md3 asm please kind sir give me something for free
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March 21st, 2019 at 9:28:39 AM permalink
I never trust the shuffler machine, NEVER, I don’t care who certifies it (even God) to be honest and never rigged. These machines can read the image of the cards to know exactly what cards it is be it a 10 or 2 and arrange them in the order of how many hands are played at the table with the help of the dealer. My co-worker played at Hawaiian garden casino once and witnessed something that can attest to this. The shuffler malfunctioned the threw out a bunch of cards on the table; game was stopped for a few minutes, supervisor came by to make sure that they got the 2 cards that were dealt to the dealer correctly in the order that it threw out; he came by and flip up two cards 10 and 5 and said to everyone; yeah, these were the right two cards of the dealers. How the fk did he even know those 10 and 5 belonged to the dealer? Those who are still adamant about the impossibility of these machines having the ability to detect, read, and arrange cards in a certain way is either having their personal interest vested in this gambling industry or are too addicted to gambling to accept that their hobby is not as great as a 2% optimal house edge as they would like to believe. Just ask those who have played with hand shuffler vs machine shuffler and they’ll tell you their win ratio is drastically different with the hand shuffler. Do I gamble at casino? Yes, I do. Do I believe the casinos are CHEATERS? Of course, I do believe they are cheating otherwise they would go out of business with just a 2% house edge. I view gambling at a casino is like throwing money away at the lottery for fun, but I never believe in my life that casino owners are honest people like priests.
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March 21st, 2019 at 9:37:34 AM permalink
That is why you unexpectedly jump from one hand to two at random times. If the dealer sets the cards for four hand but you add a fifth hand, all the chicanery is for naught. Thru discipline and proper hydration, good will triumph.
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March 21st, 2019 at 10:06:48 AM permalink
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I never trust the shuffler machine, NEVER, I don’t care who certifies it (even God) to be honest and never rigged. These machines can read the image of the cards to know exactly what cards it is be it a 10 or 2 and arrange them in the order of how many hands are played at the table with the help of the dealer. My co-worker played at Hawaiian garden casino once and witnessed something that can attest to this. The shuffler malfunctioned the threw out a bunch of cards on the table; game was stopped for a few minutes, supervisor came by to make sure that they got the 2 cards that were dealt to the dealer correctly in the order that it threw out; he came by and flip up two cards 10 and 5 and said to everyone; yeah, these were the right two cards of the dealers. How the fk did he even know those 10 and 5 belonged to the dealer? Those who are still adamant about the impossibility of these machines having the ability to detect, read, and arrange cards in a certain way is either having their personal interest vested in this gambling industry or are too addicted to gambling to accept that their hobby is not as great as a 2% optimal house edge as they would like to believe. Just ask those who have played with hand shuffler vs machine shuffler and they’ll tell you their win ratio is drastically different with the hand shuffler. Do I gamble at casino? Yes, I do. Do I believe the casinos are CHEATERS? Of course, I do believe they are cheating otherwise they would go out of business with just a 2% house edge. I view gambling at a casino is like throwing money away at the lottery for fun, but I never believe in my life that casino owners are honest people like priests.



you need to trust yourself and what you see and stop listening these nay-sayers. take a browse through my posts. the issue with the shufflers is that they set up situations. these situations mostly are traps. these traps have only one way of profiting or getting your money back - surrendering. any other situations you MUST play PERFECT basic strategy. the shufflers are setup minus the house edge. Keep in mind playing abnormally will change your future results. Usually playing the wrong way will end up activating what I think is something called a "Grim Trigger". if you veer or "defect" as its called you have a 50 percent chance whether or not you will screw something up for yourself. This grim trigger will not last forever and you will eventually land back on track to where you would have eventually been before. Very difficult and almost impossible to say "coulda shoulda woulda" because after two rounds or more you will lose track.
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March 21st, 2019 at 10:35:55 AM permalink
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Just ask those who have played with hand shuffler vs machine shuffler and they’ll tell you their win ratio is drastically different with the hand shuffler.



Perhaps it is because machine shuffled shoes are more neutral, and less likely to have rich sections, than hand shuffled ones.

The machines are not rigged. A ten-shelf shuffler will provide more randomness than hand shuffling any day. Especially poor hand shuffling.

The more a deck is shuffled, the more random the results.

"..using our theory, we were able to show that a knowledgeable player could guess about 9 1/2 cards correctly in a single run through a 52-card deck. For a well-shuffled deck, the optimal strategy gets about 4 1/2 cards correct." - P. Diaconis

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