Baccarat: My Experience

Lol congrats on your 2nd post

Ha ha ha......

"This thread is such a waste of time."
"What a useless thread."
"This is (utter) crap this thread is."
"This thread/post is dumb."
"*Insert # of pages* is wasted space"

If you didn't care you wouldn't of read through it. You wouldn't give the time of day. Unless you are reading this sitting on the can waiting for Donnie Brown to come out finally. Plain and simple. Because deep down you want this to be solved so you can go and grind out some funny money yourself. Yet you are once again disappointed because as usual you found the typical fluff piece.

For those who "negatively" reply to these threads you all do care and want some solution deep down. Which you hate to admit. Oh that greedy spark within no matter how small always rear its ugly head. Ha ha.

Embrace and conquer that greed and earn your rightful place among us........

Greater Rift 80 here I come!!!! I will get that extra stash space before this season ends!!!!!!! And oh do we need more stash space. We always need more stash space!

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That's my point.

The disbelief and skepticism from experts with decades of experience and those that claim to be ahead that someone else could be ahead as well as it being mathematically improbable should be a warning to anyone contemplating playing this game for a living or to earn a supplemental income.

I'm not ahead because I've figured out a way to win more sessions than I lost. I'm not ahead because I'm luckier than not. I'm ahead because I got extremely lucky on a few rare occasions.

The 1st. time I played baccarat without completely understanding the rules and odds and with no experience is when I actually won the most. I just bet player for no other reason than not wanting to pay a 5% commission. The boards were running boards that didn't even show the complete history of a shoe. I didn't keep a score card. I brought $XXX.00 to test the game out, lost down to $XXX.00 and after 24 hours of continuous play left with more than $XXX,000.00. I would have kept playing but was told I had to leave because of a city ordinance that limited play time to 20 hours. I didn't bring all my winning back not because I was smart. I just didn't wanted to give out my personal information and stay under the $10,000.00 reporting requirements. It was beginner's luck with a some circumstances that prevented me from giving it all back. Even with much more knowledge and experience, I can't repeat it.

Someone could walk into a casino with $100.00 and leave with $100,000.00. We could watch their every move and ask them questions afterwards. We might get some useful insight but would likely not play exactly how they played because we would realize that the major factor was luck and the cards, dice and wheels are not going to produce same results.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No.

In the end, there are no secrets. If you are ahead, there is no way to stay under the radar whether that be the casino and / or other players. Other's seem to know how much I won and lost more than I do. Sometimes they'll predict what I'll bet before I've even decided.

Quote: BaccPM

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The 1st. time I played baccarat without completely understanding the rules and odds and with no experience is when I actually won the most. I just bet player for no other reason than not wanting to pay a 5% commission. The boards were running boards that didn't even show the complete history of a shoe. I didn't keep a score card. I brought $X00.00 to test the game out, lost down to $XXX.00 and after 24 hours of continuous play left with more than $XXX,000.00. I would have kept playing but was told I had to leave because of a city ordinance that limited play time to 20 hours. I didn't bring all my winning back not because I was smart. I just didn't wanted to give out my personal information and stay under the $10,000.00 reporting requirements. It was beginner's luck with a some circumstances that prevented me from giving it all back. Even with much more knowledge and experience, I can't repeat it.

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In the end, there are no secrets. If you are ahead, there is no way to stay under the radar whether that be the casino and / or other players. Other's seem to know how much I won and lost more than I do. Sometimes they'll predict what I'll bet before I've even decided.

Ok, in its own way, this is even less believable than the numbers you claim. You've been playing for 8+ years. You say you didn't want to give out your personal information. But somehow, in less than 24 hours, you won $XXX,000 on $XXX BR and got paid.

The problem I have is that there are 2 parties to this transaction. I find it REALLY hard to believe that a casino paid you without knowing who you were, insisting on ID or a player's card, filing money reports, the other stuff needed when large amounts of money change hands. Certainly not in the last 10 years, though it might've been possible 30-40 years ago. Not even because of anything you did; THEY have reporting requirements and cash movement reports. That's a HUGE transaction anywhere in the US, any time. Sorry; not buying it.

Actually, took the chips home and cashed out $XXXX.00 on the table games cages and $XXXX.00 on the poker cages a day until they told me that I could no longer buy in or cash out without filling out paperwork. Then, had friends cash out $XXXX.00 a day for me and starting playing at another casino. Which is also why I didn't lose it all back. . .

Quote: BaccPM

Actually, took the chips home and cashed out $XXXX.00 on the table games cages and $XXXX.00 on the poker cages a day until they told me that I could no longer buy in or cash out without filling out paperwork. Then, had friends cash out $XXXX.00 a day for me and starting playing at another casino. Which is also why I didn't lose it all back. . .

I wouldn't admit this here.

Quote: BaccPM

I brought $X00.00 to test the game out, lost down to $XXX.00 and after 24 hours of continuous play left with more than $XXX,000.00.

If you can pull that off the second time and put it on video I will name my first born after you.

Now I don't feel so awesome anymore from my Encore trip yesterday.

Quote: BaccPM

Actually, took the chips home and cashed out $5,000.00 on the table games cages and $4,900.00 on the poker cages a day until they told me that I could no longer buy in or cash out without filling out paperwork. Then, had friends cash out $9,900.00 a day for me and starting playing at another casino. Which is also why I didn't lose it all back. . .

i bet the management were puzzled when they came to cash up each night and had £168,000 unaccounted for. I bet they were searching down the back of the seats. Yeah, I know: Peanuts to a busy casino.
500 to 168,000 would be an unlikely but plausible first day, just about. It trumps my 100 to 6000 first day story by a factor of 18. Kudos to you if you did it. Even pushing ahead to 662,000 is still plausable at 1323 to 1 shot, or 4 to one shot if putting your whole bankroll at risk (ignoring house edge). Possibly more like 2500 to one if accommodating house edge
You say that you have a tendency to walk in with 1,000 and sometimes walk out with 10,000 or more. That in itself is not unreasonable at all and should be do-able about once for every nine times you walk out with zero or near zero.
You do admit to having lots of such bad sessions? If you've been quitting bad sessions when just a few hundred down, you must have had proportionately many more of them.
How well did you keep records?
Did you declare your winnings for tax? I understand that in the US, that such winnings might be taxable, even if barely recorded. by the casino or the authorities.

Bbb is right- no way this happened let alone you are structuring to begin with.with 168k I chips outstAnding counts would be off and they would have alerts at the cage-
There is less of a chance that this happened then the 18 yos

OP has never been in a casino before. There's not a single one where you could get away with having "friends" cash in 9900/day even once, let alone 168k worth.

So if I color up and walk out with chips, does the cashier come after me, does the pit boss stop me or does security prevent me from going home? None in my experience. They just remind me that they have lockers that I can use.

Buying in or cashing out, if they know you, they just punch your name into a computer. If not, they just ask for your name.

On a different note: I get it, now. My bad. . .

If you walk with 168k in chips and do not give a name or social you are not getting them cashed by anyone in the next decade/ to start you didn't have all blacks and most casinos verify purple and yellow or orange ..... I have verifiable play at numerous casinos giving my name and yet one day I cashed out 70k and left with 10 in my pocket/ gave it to another friend who went with 5k and still had an issue the next day

No intention of arguing anyone else's experience. Everyone could be right from their own personal experiences playing the game to cashing out.

Procedures and regulations will vary from casino to casino, city to city, county to county, state to state, etc. even on who's managing the floor to which cashier you get.

Just shared mine with some examples.

At least I didn't point you to a website on how to beat the game. . .
At least I didn't tell you that being professional and treating it like a business with a clear head will give you an edge. . .
At least I didn't tell you if you understand parallel universes and random theory, you could beat any shoe. . .
At least I didn't tell you with a 20 step martingale you can win X% of shoes. . .

Nor did I tell gamblers on a gambling forum that no one could possibly win based on the math. . .

Just said you can, but it's all luck and shared a few details. . .

Not sure if you want to admit to structuring (illegal activity) online. Not too smart to do.

No worries.

Did nothing illegal. . .

Let me guess, you played in China or Mexico or Zimbabwe ?

Quote: BaccPM

No worries

Did nothing illegal. . .

We know. It isn't illegal to lie about structuring to avoid a CTR. Had you actually done it though, it would have been illegal.

Let's kill the thread. . .

LOL. This is Anti-Money Laundering Red Flag of a Wet Dream!

Quote: sabre

We know. It isn't illegal to lie about structuring to avoid a CTR.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Not because of how I cashed out 8 years ago. . .

Just had my soap box moment of saying I'm up, but it's all do to luck. . .

As well as having given out too much identifiable details. . .

Quote: BaccPM

Not because of how I cashed out 8 years ago. . .

Just had my soap box moment of saying I'm up, but it's all do to luck. . .

As well as having given out too much identifiable details. . .

Good friend, you are safe here with us.

Why do people make this crap up- what is the point-
I feel it's the same 8-10 people
Ie bac79 kentry and other various deciphAls

Quote: BaccPM

Sorry but at this time there are just to many holes in your story. Again we haven't had anyone with these outrageous type of claims ever even prove they actually play above red and green chip levels. They always make some lame excuse.

Let's not keep on about the past.

Would you be willing to let someone like The Wizard verify you actually play at the levels and are as lucky as you claim? If you're actually out playing as often and high as you claim it shouldn't be a problem. Then we can move on and enjoy all of your stories. I would even be more likely to believe what you have claimed thus far.

You don't even have to meet up with anyone in person. As I said before they have easy to use small HD cameras that are virtually undetectable. You can send the video privately. Any concerns you have with your safety and anonymity can be addressed.

Very easy to post proof of your wagers
Took this- zero problems

Then at least you can prove you get at these levels

http://i.imgur.com/Wg2Dqk9.jpg

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Why do people make this crap up- what is the point-
I feel it's the same 8-10 people
Ie bac79 kentry and other various deciphAls

Kentry I have no idea.

B79 was probably looking for a boyfriend, attention, notoriety etc.

Some people are trying to pull a con. There's enough foolish desperate people who believe in this garbage and they will contact these guys.

You only need to convince one big sucker to put up money. Usually the con has some last minute excuse why he's not cash liquid or uses the fact that it's his luck/system. Where the con gets a % of the profits and none of the losses.

Because there is so much information debunking systems and warning people not to buy anything. The best thing for the cons to say is ...."I'm not selling or touting anything. The have the marks come to them.

If you are someone that believes in systems, voodoo and other types of BS. It's not hard to convince the right kind of person you are special.

No worries about those online, but just don't want to add to the list of local hustlers and people asking for loans. . .

The locals know way to much about what, when and how I won than I'm comfortable with. My XXX to XXX,XXX story makes it too easy for them. . .

Why are there no secret BSs and MMs, because when you're winning everyone notices them. . .

That's outright. Bs/ I have posted many pictures and at my local casino 40 percent of the players hear my name for contest after. Contest and I have not been asked for anything Ever by someone that saw me win- even on days when I have had a crowd behind me and over 100k on the table

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Very easy to post proof of your wagers
Took this- zero problems

Then at least you can prove you get at these levels

http://i.imgur.com/Wg2Dqk9.jpg

Sorry get off track, but is that a grey and ten oranges? What casino books a $15,000 tiles bet?

And why is there a four spot ?!?

Sorry teddys- don't play THAT big. It was 3 purples on one hand and purple and ten blacks on the other with a a red or two on top- my max tops out at 3k per hand usually depending on the promotion or situation I am playing for. That casino takes out the number 3 on the tiles table---- don't ask crazy but then again that's probably why I was playing there amongst other reasons .... Was simply saying it's not hard to back up a statement or level of play with a quick picture or two . Clearly bacc does not play at that level- if he does I'm willing to fly out to literally any location in the county and view in person for five minutes what he plays- I will also give him a total freeroll if he plays at that level and I've him 2 percent in a rebate of any bet he makes at that level i.e. if he bets 5k on. A hand I'll give him an instant 100 once the cards are drawn win or lose

Quote: BaccPM

Not because of how I cashed out 8 years ago. . .

Just had my soap box moment of saying I'm up, but it's all do to luck. . .

As well as having given out too much identifiable details. . .

Clearly silent because it was all bull

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Clearly silent because it was all bull

It was dying. Now thanks for bringing it back to life.

That goes for yours truly too for replying. Goes both ways.

Sometimes it's good to stir the pot and remind people of the nonsense - kind of like reminding people of hitler so it doesn't happen again

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Sometimes it's good to stir the pot and remind people of the nonsense - kind of like reminding people of hitler so it doesn't happen again

Why yes. Absolutely. Peace, justice. and eating lots of carbohydrates.

Well at least the baccarat threads in here never ask for Bryan's triggers! :P

My apologies. . .

Freshman errors is judgement of what to post and not to post and even how to write a post. . .

Intent was just to say:

I'm up overall because I caught an incredible winning streak and haven't given it all back, yet. . .

I can share my strategy, BS and MM, but it ain't special. . .

So for any lurkers that think there is a way to win consistently, think again. . .

However, that's pointless and not worth posting in itself. . .

My bad. . .

Quote: BaccPM

My apologies. . .

Freshman errors is judgement of what to post and not to post and even how to write a post. . .

Intent was just to say:

I'm up overall because I caught an incredible winning streak and haven't given it all back, yet. . .

I can share my strategy, BS and MM, but it ain't special. . .

So for any lurkers that think there is a way to win consistently, think again. . .

However, that's pointless and not worth posting in itself. . .

My bad. . .

Me thinks you don't bet at the levels you claim and you are not beating baccarat. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. You've avoided that conversation just like they all do.

Bac players are notorious for over exaggerating.

I think there's a big correlation with how simple baccarat is to play and the type of people it attracts. Everything else is to complicated (things like counting cards). Eventually they find a way to make it complicated. Baccarat players are far more acceptable to seeing patterns/ streaks and catching gambler's fallacy..

You all are much more experienced and respected gamblers than I. . .

I walked up to the firing line on purpose, however it was for nothing. . .

I have no issues with nor feel intimidated by any replies. . .

However, I am more hesitant to ask questions even though I have more questions than answers. . .

I'm a freshman and wrote a bad post when I should have just lurked and move on. . .

Apology accepted- feel free to ask away

Get the feeling you have to be apart of the club 1st., otherwise any question will just followed by replies of how could anyone ask such a stupid question, it's the same old question. . .

No actually you stated what you should have stated from the start- myself and im sure others now at least feel you don't think you have a magical potion. Feel free to ask any question or pm me if you prefer a private answer

Quote: BaccPM

Get the feeling you have to be apart of the club 1st., otherwise any question will just followed by replies of how could anyone ask such a stupid question, it's the same old question. . .

There no club we just know how to ferret out BS. We have a good feel for who is more legitimate. Many new people come on forum asking legitimate questions and they get legitimate answers. You came here insinuating you were full of it (experience that is). Now you're saying you are not that experienced.
Here's some stuff you said

My experience: I have played baccarat on and off for 8 + years starting with a $500.00 bankroll and have netted > $XXX,000.00 to date without having risked more than my original $500.00. For some, this is pennies and nothing worth posting about. For me, it is an accomplishment and journey that comes with some valuable information for those that want to learn from it.



Examples of dangerous information:

- Any claim of changing the odds to one's advantage or giving an edge.
- Anything that guarantees anything.
- Anything that a system seller is telling you.
- Anything that has to do with taking more and more money out of the bank.
- Anything that has to do with steep negative progressions.
- Etc.

Examples of bad information:

- Anything that calls for risking a lot for small wins.
- Anything that can only be done if well funded.
- Any claim of a statistical / probable advantage.
- Etc.

This in no way is intended to encourage anyone to start nor continue gambling. It may however be useful information to those that have already decided to do so. So many claim to be winning, but it's all smoke and mirrors and evasion when it comes to the details. This is my attempt at providing some useful details for my own experience if one still chooses to play the game.

The assumption is that we all know that the house has a built in advantage and that we still choose to play for the perceived chance at winning.

Basic strategy based on the mathematical odds is to always bet banker because of the slight edge given to the banker hand based on the 3rd. card drawing rules. Optimal basic strategy I assume would be something like betting it all at once or some version of 1 2 on banker to limit exposure to the house edge. Few choose to actually do this because of the built in high variance that results in plenty of player hands which can be verified by simply looking at any board. This variance is also arguably what give us the perceived chance at winning when the odds are against us. Everything else is a workaround to give us more than one perceived opportunity.

Bottom Line: I got lucky.

But, how?:

I have used multiple strategies with different combinations of BSs and MMs throughout the years. The commonality is that most allowed me to get very lucky on multiple occasions. Meaning, I was able to catch a series of wins at a prolonged positive rate within a session on multiple sessions. I quit when the rate became negative.

To simplify: Luck = + Variance

+ = Being on the Right Side

I was on the right side of variance, lucky, just long and frequently enough that I won more when I won and lost less than I won when I lost to get a net profit overall on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis. I won more when I was on a long series of + variance than I lost when I was on a short series of – variance by extending my winning sessions and shortening my losing ones.

Although I used different BSs throughout the years, most allowed me the opportunity or chance to get a series of wins over a prolonged period within a session. For example, one is only betting banker which I more often than not use today. I have had multiple sessions winning at a positive rate on short and long banker runs and guessing correctly by sitting out on player hands and runs. An example of a session win would be turning a $2,000.00 buy in into $18,000.00 in winnings starting with a unit size of $100.00. My largest winnings in a single session was $XXX,000.00 from $XXX.00 in an extended 24 hour session only betting player which I have never been able to repeat. I started with $25.00 units and lost to $XXX.00 and started betting $20.00 units until in the end I was betting $X,000.00 a hand.

I quit sessions when I was losing early. For example, I have left within 2 minutes on multiple occasions when I lost the 1st. 3 hands bet. I normally quit or take a break when I lose 3 hands in a row or after say 10 hands my bankroll has decreased or not changed.

I keep playing and increasing my unit size when winning at a positive rate. For example, I more often than not use a unit size of 5 – 10% of my bankroll. After several hands, say 10, I check to see if my bankroll has increased. If it has, I keep playing and increase by unit size by the same percentage of bankroll. If I have won several units, I may double up if I feel confident about a hand here and there during runs.

Conversely, I quit or decrease my unit size when I'm losing. For example, I may decrease my unit size after several hands if my bankroll has decreased by the same percentage of bankroll or quit the session altogether.

I consistently only bring a small session bankroll even after a large win. For example, I may have won $15,000.00 from a $1,000.00 buy in, but for the next session, I still only bring the same $1,000.00.

These are some of the actionable traits that I believe allowed me to be lucky for several years.

Note that I did not mention that I had more winning sessions than losing ones nor that I played a negative progression to turn a losing session into a winning one.

Just like player and banker hands, my winning and losing sessions seem to have their own patterns and trends due to variance.

So even without a calculated edge, I've managed to net a large profit even after several years of continuous
play.

PS. If you think there is a club you can try joining by verifying some of your outrageous claims.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

No actually you stated what you should have stated from the start- myself and im sure others now at least feel you don't think you have a magical potion. Feel free to ask any question or pm me if you prefer a private answer

You have a fan...

http://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/wizardofvegas-forum-is-dying.3391/page-14#post-11383

Wow I'm so honored I'm not even sure what to say

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

You have a fan...

http://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/wizardofvegas-forum-is-dying.3391/page-14#post-11383

Is that another one of those websites with most of its posts by people who were banned from this website, talking about this website?

Quote: Dalex64

Is that another one of those websites with most of its posts by people who were banned from this website, talking about this website?

Naturally. I enjoy the roulette nonsense.

Quote: AxelWolf

Here's some stuff you said

Yep, OP almost had me with that thought of how he won't be treated well because of a clique he won't be admitted to.

A lot of talk going around these days about the "mean girls" of adolescence and how that is probative still of adult female behavior. If the established members were all women here we would be the "mean girls" in that accusation LOL.

But Axelwolf is right, with what was posted, OP can't play that card. I'm actually wondering now if that was plagiarized from something, it makes zero sense to have posted it and now claim to be a newbie.

Quote: odiousgambit

Yep, OP almost had me with that thought of how he won't be treated well because of a clique he won't be admitted to.

A lot of talk going around these days about the "mean girls" of adolescence and how that is probative still of adult female behavior. If the established members were all women here we would be the "mean girls" in that accusation LOL.

But Axelwolf is right, with what was posted, OP can't play that card. I'm actually wondering now if that was plagiarized from something, it makes zero sense to have posted it and now claim to be a newbie.

Well if there is a clique/club around here, it's fairly easy to get into. Anyone can get in. Old, young, fat, skinny, tall, short smart, dumb, nerdy,cool, mean, nice, gay, straight, it doesn't really matter.

The only rule I think is..... DON'T MAKE UP A BUNCH OF BS.

Let's take someone like GWAE. He's one of many guys on here that everyone seems to like, enjoy and respect. He didn't need to make up any monkey business. There were no outrageous high roller claims(just the opposite), he didn't claim to be a expert, he didn't claim to survive any burning buildings or watch employees die in his arms. He just regularly asks questions, talks about gambling or whatever floats his boat while adding information about whatever the topic is at the time, he talks some about his normal life, family and vacations.