Sandybestdog
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April 27th, 2016 at 9:10:08 AM permalink
Not sure what's with your attitude. Just giving my opinion. Probably poker is not the game for me. That's fine. I was just using that as an example. There was 20 minutes left in the high hand promotion. It was just a suggestion. As I recall, that was actually one of my few winning sessions. I'm merely saying that I don't like all the raising and such preflop and how it doesn't make sense to me. You'll especially find it common in the cheap tournaments. 5 hands in and people are going all in preflop. How is that making the game complex like you say? That sounds like straight up gambling to me.

Case in point, I was playing a tournament a few weeks ago. I was big blind which was $400. I get pocket aces. This guy was playing loose and aggressive all night. Like raising to $10k all the time. Really annoying. Just like I expected, he raised preflop and it was his biggest yet, about $15k chips. I think this is exactly what I want. I had $18k left and went all in. Another guy calls as well. Sure enough big bettor has kings. They run out the cards and I think I held up when I see the other guy had Queen/8 and two 8's are on the board. Please tell me how that is the poker you describe and not the lottery? Who calls 45 big blinds with Queen/8 against 2 others? That's not poker. If a king had come, then fine. Big deal it's a $40 tournament, everybody has their bad beat stories. But I would prefer to be outplayed, not out lucked.
RS
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April 27th, 2016 at 9:30:58 AM permalink
I rarely play UTH or any carnival game. Usually only for fun in a group setting.

But I was playing a short while ago (for comps, sorta). Anyway, I got dealt pocket kings or queens or some such nonsense. The two ploppies to my left saw my cards and were like, "Oh yeah, that's a good one, raise 4x!" So I'm like OK duh and raise 4x. I'm hanging back, just chilling, and out on the flop and turn or w/e come two more queens or kings, resulting in me getting a four of a kind. I had no idea. The two ploppies (well, one was completely sh*tfaced drunk, lol) were like "Omg yes that's awesome! Wow!!!" and I'm all like, thinking they hit a full house or a straight or something, totally forgetting what cards I had. I didn't realize it until after the dealer flipped over my cards and told me I had a four of a kind. Oh ok -- that's why these two people to my left were all excited. It was kinda cool, too, since I was actually playing a decent amount and not betting the $5 or $10 min.

Quote: Sandybestdog

Not sure what's with your attitude. Just giving my opinion. Probably poker is not the game for me. That's fine. I was just using that as an example. There was 20 minutes left in the high hand promotion. It was just a suggestion. As I recall, that was actually one of my few winning sessions. I'm merely saying that I don't like all the raising and such preflop and how it doesn't make sense to me. You'll especially find it common in the cheap tournaments. 5 hands in and people are going all in preflop. How is that making the game complex like you say? That sounds like straight up gambling to me.

Case in point, I was playing a tournament a few weeks ago. I was big blind which was $400. I get pocket aces. This guy was playing loose and aggressive all night. Like raising to $10k all the time. Really annoying. Just like I expected, he raised preflop and it was his biggest yet, about $15k chips. I think this is exactly what I want. I had $18k left and went all in. Another guy calls as well. Sure enough big bettor has kings. They run out the cards and I think I held up when I see the other guy had Queen/8 and two 8's are on the board. Please tell me how that is the poker you describe and not the lottery? Who calls 45 big blinds with Queen/8 against 2 others? That's not poker. If a king had come, then fine. Big deal it's a $40 tournament, everybody has their bad beat stories. But I would prefer to be outplayed, not out lucked.



I don't know much about tournament poker play....but I know in blackjack tournaments you typically either want to min-bet and hope the others all bust out, or max-bet and hope to win big. If I had to guess about poker tournaments, I'd think that a large part of it is trying to either win big or go home. Part of the skill is knowing how to play in different situations. You'd probably go all-in a lot more often in tournament play than you would in a cash game.
MrGoldenSun
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April 27th, 2016 at 10:48:37 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

Probably poker is not the game for me. That's fine.



Right, I agree that it's fine. There are many casino games which are not for me as well!

Quote: Sandybestdog

I'm merely saying that I don't like all the raising and such preflop and how it doesn't make sense to me. You'll especially find it common in the cheap tournaments. 5 hands in and people are going all in preflop. How is that making the game complex like you say? That sounds like straight up gambling to me.



In cheap tournaments, your stack will often get short in relation to the blinds quickly, meaning that if you're going to play the hand, you might as well go all in. Of course in a cheap tournament some folks are there just to take big swings and big gambles, and if they are moving in within the first few hands, they're probably just gamblers trying to quickly build a stack or go home.

I'm not saying everyone who plays the game plays it well. Most players don't, which is why most players lose. But even many bad players are trying to play well. The reason they are bad is that playing well is HARD. There are so many factors to think about and so many decisions to make. Most hands don't involve anyone going all in, but even if they do, that still gives you a lot of decisions to make, and opportunity to profit.

Quote: Sandybestdog

Case in point, I was playing a tournament a few weeks ago. I was big blind which was $400. I get pocket aces. ... I had $18k left and went all in. Another guy calls as well. Sure enough big bettor has kings. They run out the cards and I think I held up when I see the other guy had Queen/8 and two 8's are on the board. Please tell me how that is the poker you describe and not the lottery? ... I would prefer to be outplayed, not out lucked.



You did great. You got all your money in as a significant favorite. That's all you can do in that spot. By the way, how mad was the guy with KK to have run into AA? :-)

Luck is an inherent part of poker. The best starting hand doesn't always win, nor does the best player. That's part of what keeps it interesting, and what keeps bad players interested, because in the short term anyone can win, same as roulette or keno or whatever. It's still gambling! It's just gambling with a lot of strategic skill involved.

Bad beats will happen, but in the long term, the better player will make better decisions. He will understand how his own hand compares to the likely hands for his opponents, and what that should mean for his actions. He will be putting money into the pot with an edge, and over time, that edge will result in profit.

Actually, better players receive more bad beats than bad players, because the better player is more likely to be a favorite when all the money goes in. You can only be the victim of a bad beat when you made a good bet.

Skillful poker play typically involves a lot of raising. So if you don't like that, it makes sense to me you'd dislike the game in general.
MrGoldenSun
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April 27th, 2016 at 10:52:11 AM permalink
Quote: RS

If I had to guess about poker tournaments, I'd think that a large part of it is trying to either win big or go home. Part of the skill is knowing how to play in different situations. You'd probably go all-in a lot more often in tournament play than you would in a cash game.



Correct. One of the reasons you go all-in a lot more in tournaments is that the blinds increase over time, so players become short-stacked, meaning you get all-in more quickly. Also, since you can't take your chips and cash them out, you will have to be all-in at some point unless you manage to win the tournament without ever going all-in. Whereas I have had many cash game sessions where I never had my whole stack at risk.
RoyalBJ
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May 1st, 2016 at 9:24:32 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

You play UTH for a living? I'm surprised. Not saying it isn't possible. I'm curious if you'd like to reveal more information. (I'm guessing not...)

As for me, I have gotten three straight flushes. More quads than I can count. Never received nor seen a royal while I was playing.

Join the club. I played UTH for 8 or 10 years (could not remember exactly), several hours a day and many days a month. As a matter of fact, it's the only game I play now. I ONLY saw TWO royal flushes on my table in these years. One gigantic casino exec told me the hold in his casino is 32%. I play it for fun, a cheap entertainment when playing right.
BTLWI
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May 1st, 2016 at 11:21:45 AM permalink
A female I know thinks she plays it for a living. Of course in less than 2 years she's hit 4 royals, numerous straight flushes, even flopped a SF for 10% of the progressive which netted her $12K, uncountable number of quads, etc...

This past winter she was 1 of 10 in an hourly drawing, won that to become 1 of 3 in the nightly drawing to win an SUV. Of course she wins.... Takes the $25K cash instead of $40K dealer credit. Is back on the UTH table as soon as the paperwork is finished.

Run good at UTH, run good at casino promos and you too could delude yourself into thinking you're an UTH pro. She even sits on the wrong side of the table to take advantage of the few flashers we have.
JohnnyComet
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May 3rd, 2016 at 1:55:59 PM permalink
Quote: BTLWI


Run good at UTH, run good at casino promos and you too could delude yourself into thinking you're an UTH pro. She even sits on the wrong side of the table to take advantage of the few flashers we have.



Is there a "right" side for UTH?
Romes
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May 3rd, 2016 at 2:00:56 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyComet

Is there a "right" side for UTH?

Things like this unfortunately don't need answered on the public part of the forum... If you guys want to further chat about it plz PM.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
TwoFeathersATL
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May 3rd, 2016 at 3:54:51 PM permalink
Censorship!
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
odiousgambit
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May 3rd, 2016 at 5:02:07 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyComet

Is there a "right" side for UTH?



there's a Darkside - they get to short-pay you on your winning bets. You may not join them, though.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder

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