DeMango
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May 1st, 2015 at 2:50:09 PM permalink
Local Dog track in SW Florida. Advertised pair plus paytable in newspaper 4/30:
Mini Royal 200 to 1
SF 50 to 1
3 OAK 30 to 1
straight 6 to 1
flush 4 to 1
pair 1 to 1

Seems to be the most generous paytable around. How generous?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
rudeboyoi
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May 1st, 2015 at 3:27:44 PM permalink
http://wizardofodds.com/games/three-card-poker/

Go to the pair plus return table here.

To figure out the probability of a miniroyal, take 1/12 of the probability of a straight flush (since 1/12 straight flushes is a miniroyal). To figure out the return for the miniroyal, take the probability you just figured out and multiply it by 200.

To figure out the probability of a straight flush, take 11/12 of the probability of a straight flush (since 1/12 of them count as a miniroyal already). Then multiply that probability by 50 to get the return.

Use the same returns for three of a kind, straight, pair, and all other.

For flush use the same probability for flush but multiply it by 4 instead for the return.

Then sum all those returns together to figure out the house edge.
charliepatrick
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May 1st, 2015 at 4:12:40 PM permalink
The easiest way is to look at the various hands.
There are 4 Royal Flushes paying back 200+1.
etc.
Ignore the probabilities and see how close to 22100 the total gets to - divide to get House Edge
Methinks you have the figures wrong and actually the Straight pays 5/1 (99.312%). However if it's 1,4,6, then (30,50,58) or (30,40,168) or (19,50,201) are true values (e.g. 30 40 100 = 98.769%).
`RF         4  200/1   804SF        44   50/1  2244Trips     52   30/1  1612Straight 720    6/1  5040Flush   1096    4/1  5480Pair    3744    1/1  7488Zip    16440            0Total  22100        22668  = 102.570%`
Alternatively it may be a promotion whereby you can't bet more than 1/2 your Ante bet - would be a nice idea.
DeMango
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May 1st, 2015 at 11:09:27 PM permalink
2.57% player edge? Bradenton Herald page 29D Could be a misprint but......
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beachbumbabs
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May 2nd, 2015 at 12:09:35 AM permalink
It's the SF that throws it into PA, I think. The 50/40/30/6/4/1 is a nice paytable if you can find it, but still has a slight HAR 2.14%. The MiniRoyal doesn't happen all that often, maybe changes it .1 or .2%. But the SF at 50 rather than 40 does, often enough, anyway, to make it a PA.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Allan99
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March 29th, 2016 at 6:49:07 PM permalink
The Florida Dog Track Pair Plus is handled differently than normal.

At the Florida Dog Tracks the Pair Plus is ONLY PAID when the player's hand BEATS the dealer's hand. If the dealer's hand is higher than the player's hand, the Pairs Plus is a push.

For example, if the dealer qualifies with a pair of 6's and the player has a pair of 4's, the player pushes their Pair Plus bet and loses their ante and bet wagers.
UCivan
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March 29th, 2016 at 7:29:18 PM permalink
May be there is no Ante bonus when dealer does not qualify. We need to see the full picture.
JB
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March 29th, 2016 at 7:36:20 PM permalink
Quote: Allan99

The Florida Dog Track Pair Plus is handled differently than normal.

At the Florida Dog Tracks the Pair Plus is ONLY PAID when the player's hand BEATS the dealer's hand. If the dealer's hand is higher than the player's hand, the Pairs Plus is a push.

For example, if the dealer qualifies with a pair of 6's and the player has a pair of 4's, the player pushes their Pair Plus bet and loses their ante and bet wagers.

If this information is correct, I calculate a house edge of 2.0544%.
mrsuit31
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March 29th, 2016 at 8:24:10 PM permalink
Since this is a dog track, doesn't that make this a player banked game?

Card rooms and tracks can only have poker and player banked games in Florida...

That's why I could see a track advertising this heavily. It doesn't hurt them at all... They simply collect their progressive wager revenue and the comission from the banking company each hand.
Last edited by: mrsuit31 on Mar 29, 2016
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Allan99
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