Anybody play Lunar Poker?
Quote: Zer0So all the casinos here in St. Louis are getting lunar poker one by one and I got to say it's probably the most fun I've ever had with a table game. Used to play Pai Gow poker but after I played Lunar I can't go back! Any fellow fans of this beautifully designed game? What's the best hit you've ever gotten off Lunar? Anybody ever gotten an awesome Super when everybody bet on you? Discuss!
The addition of the super bet to this game was very clever. It had a few impacts to the gameplay:
Good for the casino:
- Increased the house edge (a lot)
- Basically eliminated player collusion as an advantage play
Good for the casual gambler:
- Gives the players a chance at a "big win"
- Created some "team play" feeling with the players being able to bet on other hands
- Helped address the issue of getting a big hand and not winning
Have to give them credit. They made a simple change where both the casual player and the casino benefit, and APs suffer.
Quote: Zer0So all the casinos here in St. Louis are getting lunar poker one by one and I got to say it's probably the most fun I've ever had with a table game. Used to play Pai Gow poker but after I played Lunar I can't go back! Any fellow fans of this beautifully designed game? What's the best hit you've ever gotten off Lunar? Anybody ever gotten an awesome Super when everybody bet on you? Discuss!
Anyone have a link to exactly what this is?
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After reading more it seems the super bet is mandatory and must be at least equal to your ante
Quote: HunterhillThe website is unclear. It says "The player may will place a super bet equal to or higher than the ante.".
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After reading more it seems the super bet is mandatory and must be at least equal to your ante
Yes, it is mandatory.
no, the casual player does not benefit. You have to make a mandatory wager increasing the house edge, period.Quote: jopkeThe addition of the super bet to this game was very clever. It had a few impacts to the gameplay:
Good for the casino:
- Increased the house edge (a lot)
Good for the casual gambler:
- Gives the players a chance at a "big win" (at horrible odds)
- Created some "team play" feeling with the players being able to bet on other hands (what?)
- Helped address the issue of getting a big hand and not winning (at horrible odds)
Have to give them credit. They made a simple change where both the casual player and the casino benefit, and APs suffer.
Quote: mcallister3200no, the casual player does not benefit. You have to make a mandatory wager increasing the house edge, period.
suckers love horrible side bets though.
MORE WAYS TO WIN!
Quote: sc15suckers love horrible side bets though.
MORE WAYS TO WIN!
There are no horrible bets if you are having fun. Nobody forces anyone to play. A very, very small percentage of gamblers THINK they are AP's and care about anything other than having fun and hopefully winning. Players play Lucky Ladies at a 24% HE not because they are suckers, but because they are having fun.
You shouldn't judge people based on how they choose to entertain themselves.
ZCore13
Quote: mcallister3200Sounds like something someone who's primary reason for employment is to prey on destructive behavior and problem gamblers would say.
That's really a dumb comment. You don't know me. Ask anyone who does. That's the furthest thing from my reason for employment.
Is someone who smokes a sucker? Kind of a negative expectation activity. How about drinking alcohol? Not much of an upside there. Going out for dinner and a movie and spending $100 and getting no money in return? Sucker? What about the person that spends tons of money on a boat and fishing equipment? What's the monetary return on that? Did the boat salesman prey on the buyer?
99% of gamblers play for entertainment. Whether I'm volunteering with kids or working at my casino, I'm respectful of everyone, give more than I receive and don't look down on people for what they do or what they are.
Everyone has their things they enjoy. Just because you or someone else thinks something is a "sucker" activity doesn't mean it true. In actuality it's short sighted and shallow.
ZCore13
Just like the majority of alcohol is purchased by alcoholics, the majority of gaming revenue comes from people with some kind of gambling problem.
Quote: sc15Yeah.. a lot less than 99% of gaming revenue comes from people playing from entertainment.
Just like the majority of alcohol is purchased by alcoholics, the majority of gaming revenue comes from people with some kind of gambling problem.
Is this say stuff I=you have no idea about day today?
Where do you get your information about this from? You're a little closer to being correct on alcohol, but still wrong nonetheless.
It is estimated that about 2% of all gamblers have an addiction. 7.2% of drinkers are considered alcoholics. That makes 98% of gamblers and 92.8% of drinkers are not considered problem participants by the medical profession.
I don't need addicted gamblers playing games at my Pit. If they even mention wanting to stop they are encouraged to follow up with one of our State Inspectors or with professional help.
When I go to other casinos I play lots of different games. I play slots that have anywhere from a 3% to probably a 8% House Edge. I play Three Card Poker with the side bets, Pai Gow with the side bets, Ultimate Texas Holdem with the side bets, Crazy4Poker with the side bets and anything else I see that looks fun. Am I a sucker?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13That's really a dumb comment. You don't know me. Ask anyone who does. That's the furthest thing from my reason for employment.
Is someone who smokes a sucker? Kind of a negative expectation activity. How about drinking alcohol? Not much of an upside there. Going out for dinner and a movie and spending $100 and getting no money in return? Sucker? What about the person that spends tons of money on a boat and fishing equipment? What's the monetary return on that? Did the boat salesman prey on the buyer?
ZCore13
I didn't say that's your motivation for working, but casinos nor your job would exist without problem gamblers. I would say that yes someone who smokes or frequently drinks is a sucker, and that at times the boat salesman likely did prey on buyers. I did not say nor did I imply that you're a bad person. Look at the face of the people in your pit and tell me they're entertained with a straight face. Not many smiles there.
But I do not believe the employment casinos provide is worthwhile. Sometimes they take people who could be contributing to society, and may outside of work, but their employment I believe is a detriment to society.
I do realize that AP doesn't contribute to society, it is strictly consumption.
Quote: Zcore13
It is estimated that about 2% of all gamblers have an addiction.
ZCore13
Who paid for these "studies."
And what % of the total profit would you "estimate" this supposedly only 2% of the gambling population contributes.
You can kind of manipulate the way many statistics are presented to support your point of view. Maybe only 7% of people who drink are alcoholics, but they sure as hell purchase more than 7% of the total alcohol consumed.
My "no clue" estimate would be that 5-10% of recreational gamblers have a problem, about 10% for entertainment, and about 80% really couldn't tell you why they're in the casino in the first place.
Quote: Zcore13Is this say stuff I=you have no idea about day today?
Where do you get your information about this from? You're a little closer to being correct on alcohol, but still wrong nonetheless.
It is estimated that about 2% of all gamblers have an addiction. 7.2% of drinkers are considered alcoholics. That makes 98% of gamblers and 92.8% of drinkers are not considered problem participants by the medical profession.
I don't need addicted gamblers playing games at my Pit. If they even mention wanting to stop they are encouraged to follow up with one of our State Inspectors or with professional help.
When I go to other casinos I play lots of different games. I play slots that have anywhere from a 3% to probably a 8% House Edge. I play Three Card Poker with the side bets, Pai Gow with the side bets, Ultimate Texas Holdem with the side bets, Crazy4Poker with the side bets and anything else I see that looks fun. Am I a sucker?
ZCore13
Yeah ok, a casino throwing out a problem gambler. That's like a hooker turning down a cure for aids.
I smoke and usually end up buying $12 packs of cigs on the strip if I'm too lazy to get to a gas station for $6. I don't see it as the casino ripping me off, it's a convenience fee for my laziness, and I will gladly pay if I'm in the casino.
Some AP's I feel are misguided in placing hatred in a casino. It feels like they are justifying the fact we don't contribute to society in any way. I know that what I do for a living doesn't help anyone or make the world a better place, but I'm content with being able to make money finding mathematical advantages in my favor due to a promotion or playing their mailer game. It's like a video game for me, to find the optimal strategy to grind out a profit. Just as I'm writing this I just logged almost 60 hours on Fallout 3 and 40 on FFX HD lol. I've always enjoyed RPGs where I can go from the weakest flea to Godlike by finding out the best leveling techniques.
The paycheck cashing promotions that the local Las Vegas casinos run, for example, I feel are designed to prey on weak willed individuals who will spend money there immediately before they can take the money home to buy essential items and pay bills. I think these sort of practices are a major reason that you see such a significant segment of Las Vegas residents living in poverty, from paycheck to paycheck.
Quote: mcallister3200I probably got a little bit out of line, and I don't hate casinos, but I do feel like some of their business practices are just unacceptably immoral.
The paycheck cashing promotions that the local Las Vegas casinos run, for example, I feel are designed to prey on weak willed individuals who will spend money there immediately before they can take the money home to buy essential items and pay bills. I think these sort of practices are a major reason that you see such a significant segment of Las Vegas residents living in poverty, from paycheck to paycheck
You know it is kinda funky that lots of people in Vegas are broke, seeing as they live in the cheapest places to live. I prefer the option of making a stupid decision myself instead of the government telling me what is right or wrong, so I rather see many casinos and Dotty's around than state regulated casinos. Anyway that's enough of my soapbox about government intervention....
The business is immoral in some aspects, but isn't it all up to the end consumer to make a choice whether or not to place a bet with a negative expectation? I do want assistance required for problem gamblers, but a casino isn't sticking their hands in your pocket for your last dollar.
Think about that, everywhere else in business marks up alcohol 500%. But casinos give it out for free. They must be so generous!
Sure, part of what casinos do isn't bad. But there are other parts that are bad. A not-bad part is a regular vacationer going out with some buddies and gambling a few hundred. No problem there (in my opinion). The problem is they are preying on the weak.
Quote: djatcI don't understand this "Us vs. Them" mentality when it comes to AP's and casino staff. I have no problem with an establishment offering a legal service in exchange for money as long as it's legal. If I see good value I'll buy whatever it is they are offering, and if not I will go elsewhere.
I smoke and usually end up buying $12 packs of cigs on the strip if I'm too lazy to get to a gas station for $6. I don't see it as the casino ripping me off, it's a convenience fee for my laziness, and I will gladly pay if I'm in the casino.
Some AP's I feel are misguided in placing hatred in a casino. It feels like they are justifying the fact we don't contribute to society in any way. I know that what I do for a living doesn't help anyone or make the world a better place, but I'm content with being able to make money finding mathematical advantages in my favor due to a promotion or playing their mailer game. It's like a video game for me, to find the optimal strategy to grind out a profit. Just as I'm writing this I just logged almost 60 hours on Fallout 3 and 40 on FFX HD lol. I've always enjoyed RPGs where I can go from the weakest flea to Godlike by finding out the best leveling techniques.
I think I've done some good being an AP. Some of the dealers who've gotten fired as a result of my play might've gone out and got real jobs.
Quote: RSAll you gotta realize is that casinos give out FREE ALCOHOL to players. (May as well give them roofies instead, it'll increase the table games hold by 10x....err, I mean players will have 10x more fun!) With any common sense, you can connect the dots: handing out free alcohol (in such an environment) is not intended to make players have more fun, it is intended for players to gamble recklessly and give everything to the casino.
Think about that, everywhere else in business marks up alcohol 500%. But casinos give it out for free. They must be so generous!
Sure, part of what casinos do isn't bad. But there are other parts that are bad. A not-bad part is a regular vacationer going out with some buddies and gambling a few hundred. No problem there (in my opinion). The problem is they are preying on the weak.
Not all casinos give out free alcohol. They do in Nevada. It's illegal in Arizona. Not sure about other States. Not every Casino is in Las Vegas. As a matter of fact only about 75 out of 1500 casinos in the Country are in Las Vegas.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Not all casinos give out free alcohol. They do in Nevada. It's illegal in Arizona. Not sure about other States. Not every Casino is in Las Vegas. As a matter of fact only about 75 out of 1500 casinos in the Country are in Las Vegas.
ZCore13
Almost every casino that can legally give out free alcohol does so.
I've gotten free alcohol (indirectly) in casinos that aren't allowed to. Basically my host gave me free play approximately equal to how much I spent on alcohol in the trip. (They couldn't legally take it off my bill, but giving out free play is obviously legal). But that's obviously given to few players.
Quote: sc15I think I've done some good being an AP. Some of the dealers who've gotten fired as a result of my play might've gone out and got real jobs.
I have a $100 that says you're not an AP and another $100 that says nothing you've done has caused someone to get fired.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I have a $100 that says you're not an AP and another $100 that says nothing you've done has caused someone to get fired.
ZCore13
Damn, got me.
Yeah, I really make a living by begging on the strip.
Quote: RSAll you gotta realize is that casinos give out FREE ALCOHOL to players. (May as well give them roofies instead, it'll increase the table games hold by 10x....err, I mean players will have 10x more fun!) With any common sense, you can connect the dots: handing out free alcohol (in such an environment) is not intended to make players have more fun, it is intended for players to gamble recklessly and give everything to the casino.
Think about that, everywhere else in business marks up alcohol 500%. But casinos give it out for free. They must be so generous!
Sure, part of what casinos do isn't bad. But there are other parts that are bad. A not-bad part is a regular vacationer going out with some buddies and gambling a few hundred. No problem there (in my opinion). The problem is they are preying on the weak.
Enough of this casino conspiracy talk on booze:
1. If a casino didn't serve alcohol, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They don't even offer alcohol beverage service when all the players can only be adults! Cheap conspiratorial bastards!"
2. If a casino charged for alcohol, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They charge for alcohol while they are also making money on the games! That's doubling dipping!" (and no different than a movie house charging for popcorn and soda: pay for what you use).
3. And If a casino gave free adult/alcohol beverage service, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They provide us free drinks - a complimentary beverage service as a courtesy for the players, - the nerve! They're trying to get us drunk so we'd play badly and take our money, even though we are responsible for our own drinking at our own discretion and option! It's horrible, I tell ya! It's a conspiracy!"
Well, all three scenarios occur at American casinos, - generally varying by the state.
So, which scenario is the fair scenario? Or else, provide us the beverage scenario that wouldn't be conspiratorial.
Since you can only:
1. not provide a beverage service;
2. Charge for the beverage service, or;
3. Provide a complimentary beverage service as a courtesy, then one has to be the fair option.
Quote: PaigowdanEnough of this casino conspiracy talk on booze:
1. If a casino didn't serve alcohol, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They don't even offer alcohol beverage service when all the players can only be adults! Cheap conspiratorial bastards!"
2. If a casino charged for alcohol, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They charge for alcohol while they are also making money on the games! That's doubling dipping!" (and no different than a movie house charging for popcorn and soda: pay for what you use).
3. And If a casino gave free adult/alcohol beverage service, the gripe would be: "What kind of cheap and conspiratorial place is this! They provide us free drinks - a complimentary beverage service as a courtesy for the players, - the nerve! They're trying to get us drunk so we'd play badly and take our money, even though we are responsible for our own drinking at our own discretion and option! It's horrible, I tell ya! It's a conspiracy!"
Well, all three scenarios occur at American casinos, - generally varying by the state.
So, which scenario is the fair scenario? Or else, provide us the beverage scenario that wouldn't be conspiratorial.
Since you can only:
1. not provide a beverage service;
2. Charge for the beverage service, or;
3. Provide a complimentary beverage service as a courtesy, then one has to be the fair option.
I wish a robot served me drinks because I don't have to tip a robot and I can kick it in the robot nads when I am losing. doing both does not bode well for real live cocktail waitresses. they heavily frown on that.
Quote: Zer0So all the casinos here in St. Louis are getting lunar poker one by one and I got to say it's probably the most fun I've ever had with a table game. Used to play Pai Gow poker but after I played Lunar I can't go back! Any fellow fans of this beautifully designed game? What's the best hit you've ever gotten off Lunar? Anybody ever gotten an awesome Super when everybody bet on you? Discuss!
Hi !
We regularly play! :) Have even had time to get bored...
But this is a good game : )
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Quote: djatcI wish a robot served me drinks because I don't have to tip a robot and I can kick it in the robot nads when I am losing. doing both does not bode well for real live cocktail waitresses. they heavily frown on that.
Especially kicking waitresses in the nads.
We have played about 10 times, I think once we had a bad day, but for the most part we have been playing with the casino's money. We started changing our betting patterns based on if dealer had been qualifying or not, not buying cards all the time betting the minimum on the ante etc. We usually bet $15 to $25 on our super bonus, $5 on the other players super (sometimes $10 or more when the players spot is hot) and as long as you stay in the game long enough you make serious money.
Bad part is that it is not in too many casinos and other games are less exciting after you get hooked on Lunar
Just scroll up to get to the strategy.
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