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November 1st, 2014 at 3:14:08 PM permalink
I know in craps, every rolled is announced by the stick. For example, "Six, Six easy, No field six", etc.

This may seem somewhat of a naive question however, in roulette, should the dealer likewise verbally announce the outcome of every spin? For example, let's say the ball drops on #16. Should the dealer call: "16, red, even"? Or, should he/she simply mark the number and proceed to take/pay bets accordingly without saying a word?

I have not been in enough casinos in my life to know the standard practice, if there is one. Just seems like announcing the results verbally takes out any/all guesswork.

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November 1st, 2014 at 3:37:10 PM permalink
In craps, the stickman's banter is both to let the dealer and players on the other side of the table know what the roll was, but also to lead the dealers in their procedures. I.E. "Take the don'ts, pay the line" is because procedurally, they should take the losers before paying the winners.

In roulette, where the one dealer is doing everything himself, and the dolly marker makes it obvious to the players what won, the announcement is in my opinion, optional.

But I still like to hear the number as well as the red/black - since I, and perhaps a lot of people who bet red or black don't know the number assignments. Saying odd or even seems redundant and makes you wonder why they don't also say high or low. But I digress.

That said, I typically hear the dealer announce the number, red/black as well as odd/even. So if you're trying to do an authentic casino experience, have the dealers announce all three.
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November 1st, 2014 at 3:43:52 PM permalink
I concur with DJTeddyBear, although, I've not often heard the croupier call Even/Odd, usually just (number, color). Most commonly, I see this procedure done at a full table or a table where players are playing on the 2-For-1 side of the layout, usually called prior to placing the marker and likely for the benefit of the players who may not be able to see where the ball landed.
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November 1st, 2014 at 6:40:02 PM permalink
I think they do in Europe - at least, that's the way they make it look on British TV (in shows set at Monte Carlo, the croupier will call "Noir" or "Rouge", then "Pair" (even) or "Impair" (odd), and I think something else).
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November 1st, 2014 at 8:33:02 PM permalink
Quote: Riva

should the dealer likewise verbally announce the outcome of every spin?



What do your players want to hear?

Your roulette tables are different than most casinos, since you have 3 dealers working each table, instead of just one. A call makes sense, from the dealer working the wheel to the dealers working the layouts. The whole advantage of the dedicated layout dealers is that they don't have to look away from the layout - that goal is made possible when the center dealer (wheeler dealer?) calls the outcome.

"22, black, even."

If your layout dealers notice that an inside bet is getting paid, they might say "Winner" when placing the dolly.
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November 1st, 2014 at 8:39:34 PM permalink
dealers are trained and are supposed to call their game....100% the good dealer will call "7 red odd"
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November 1st, 2014 at 9:09:09 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

dealers are trained and are supposed to call their game....100% the good dealer will call "7 red odd"



They're trained to call it that way? I think that's interesting, the Odd/Even seems redundant to the number, in my opinion.

Actually, sitting here just trying to think about it (and I've not played Roulette at a ton of different places, or anything) I don't think I've ever heard an Odd/Even distinction called. I was trying to think about it and say, "The only casino I remember..." but I don't recall any actually doing that. Even the ShuffleMaster VegasStar Roulette machine I played once (just to try it out) was (Number, Color). Of course, the number/color also show up on the screen, so I don't even know why it needs to do that.

EDIT: JFTR, I'm not expressing doubt that they are trained to call it that way, just mild surprise, you'd obviously know better than me what they are trained to do.
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November 1st, 2014 at 9:22:47 PM permalink
Actually in Ontario they are trained to say " 7 red odd EH " !
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November 1st, 2014 at 9:33:40 PM permalink
Impolite, but very funny.
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November 1st, 2014 at 9:39:33 PM permalink
Hey, it could be true ! EH
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November 2nd, 2014 at 12:44:04 AM permalink
Don't know how it is in the U.S, but I say the number and the colour when dealing. That's how we were trained. I've heard that some casinos that are fussy with procedures insist on the odd/even, but have never used that myself, and don't think it's necessary. Odd/even is obvious, but the colours aren't to anyone not familiar with roulette, so justifies being announced.

Announcing the number is helpful for the players, and acts as a double check for the dealer and inspector (if there is one) that the dealer isn't going to clear the wrong number. So i'd advise going with that.
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November 2nd, 2014 at 1:04:16 AM permalink
And although it's second nature now, as a trainee i remember it was helpful announcing the colour, so as to know which losing colour to take when clearing the layout. If they're not experienced roulette dealers, they'll probably stop and double check what colour they're supposed to clear if they don't announce the color. And then after a while, you just know which colour they are without having to think about it, cos you've said, for example, "26...Black" so many times.
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January 26th, 2015 at 5:26:01 AM permalink
I think it is good customer service to call it out for roulette. Required? That would be the house's decision. I personally make a point to say the number then the color. I think the even/odd thing is just plain silly, so I don't do that. If a player is too drunk to figure out if a number is even or odd, then they have absolutely no shot of being able to tell if they are getting paid correctly.

Depending on the mood of the table, like in craps, there are a couple opportunities to change up your announcements. I'll say things like "double deuce" for 22, or "7, lucky 7". If the table is really having a good time, and your floorperson is in a good mood, you can start doing craps calls when something 1-12 hits.
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January 26th, 2015 at 6:18:25 AM permalink
I've heard a lot of variation on this. Some dealers will call out....17/Black and Odd. Some say nothing and just put down the marker, and everywhere in between. I don't think there is a "rule" per se. At least it's not enforced in any casino I've frequented. I think it would be good customer service. It may also attract players if done in a fun way. It takes no time and the dealer can do it while starting to rake in the losing bets, so it doesn't slow down the game any.
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January 26th, 2015 at 7:56:56 AM permalink
Quote: TriathlonTodd

I think it is good customer service to call it out for roulette. Required? That would be the house's decision. I personally make a point to say the number then the color. I think the even/odd thing is just plain silly, so I don't do that. If a player is too drunk to figure out if a number is even or odd, then they have absolutely no shot of being able to tell if they are getting paid correctly.

Depending on the mood of the table, like in craps, there are a couple opportunities to change up your announcements. I'll say things like "double deuce" for 22, or "7, lucky 7". If the table is really having a good time, and your floorperson is in a good mood, you can start doing craps calls when something 1-12 hits.

If I was playing, I would prefer less dumb announcements (Craps talk is really annoying, especially on Roulette ) and for them to get that dam marker off the table as fast as possible, so I can grab my chips.

There nothing worst than when a player knows all the craps sayings/longo and boastfully keeps rambling it off at the table.
I'm not talking about a few college kids having fun. It's the guys who are serious who think they are craps gurus.
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January 26th, 2015 at 1:34:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If I was playing, I would prefer less dumb announcements (Craps talk is really annoying, especially on Roulette ) and for them to get that dam marker off the table as fast as possible, so I can grab my chips.

There nothing worst than when a player knows all the craps sayings/longo and boastfully keeps rambling it off at the table.
I'm not talking about a few college kids having fun. It's the guys who are serious who think they are craps gurus.


There's only a few times when it might be useful. You do have to be able to read the table and the players' moods. Most of the time you just go for standard stuff. A key part of the customer service of being a dealer is figuring out the level of interaction your players want.
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January 26th, 2015 at 1:51:32 PM permalink
Quote: TriathlonTodd

There's only a few times when it might be useful.



Well, in Riva's case, it's a very short duration charity gambling event for low stakes. Most of the patrons are not serious gamblers.

It's not a standard 1 wheel / 1 layout / 1 dealer table - 1 wheel, 2 layouts, 3 dealers (1 on the wheel, 1 on each layout).

In this case, the dealer working the wheel makes the call so the layout dealers don't have to take their eyes off the layouts, and to hawk the game to passerby.

In a modern regular casino, particularly one with a history screen, there's little advantage to verbally calling the result.
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January 26th, 2015 at 7:04:13 PM permalink
I think we were talking about different things. I was referring to playfully using craps calls as hardly ever being used.

Despite announcing each number, I find that I am asked a ton of times each night what the call was. It comes up because the casino is nosy with the music or other players/distractions. Most boards don't read the number immediately. It takes a while to process. So, I obviously don't wait for it to show up on the board before sweeping the layout. Of course, if the players would wait the two seconds from when I announce it, to when the marker is down on the layout, that would answer their question for them. I don't mind at all. I'm the one that has pay attention to what is going on, my players don't. They are there to have a good time.
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January 26th, 2015 at 7:47:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

...and for them to get that dam marker off the table as fast as possible, so I can grab my chips.



I played roulette once at the Aria in 2012. I got my chips and put my first $15 on 5-Red. Was standing and fiddling with my chair to get comfortable and it hit! I learned about "dolly etiquette" the hard way, trying to rake the chips in. A guy sitting betting Black and losing several times in a row before I joined said "nice hit..." with the rest under his breath.
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January 26th, 2015 at 10:00:40 PM permalink
Quote: HornHighYo11

I played roulette once at the Aria in 2012. I got my chips and put my first $15 on 5-Red. Was standing and fiddling with my chair to get comfortable and it hit! I learned about "dolly etiquette" the hard way, trying to rake the chips in. A guy sitting betting Black and losing several times in a row before I joined said "nice hit..." with the rest under his breath.

I usually only play Roulette with a match play or when theres something good promotional wize.

When I'm using match plays.... I want to get the bet down and everything over ASAP before the pit boss notices me. Having to wait with that match play sitting under my chips, even 10 seconds longer than normal makes me impatient. My reaction is to grab my winnings as soon as it hits the table.

Hell, I have been known to take my bet chips on table games even before I have been paid, usually when I'm doing socializing gambling and I'm distracted. (thats always fun because now MR pit boss has to come over)
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January 26th, 2015 at 11:24:26 PM permalink
Quote: HornHighYo11

I put my first $15 on 5-Red. Was standing and fiddling with my chair to get comfortable and it hit! I learned about "dolly etiquette" the hard way, trying to rake the chips in. .



Trying to rake what chips in. When you win
on the inside, the dealer gives the chips
right to you, there's no 'raking in' to do.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:03:54 AM permalink
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Trying to rake what chips in. When you win
on the inside, the dealer gives the chips
right to you, there's no 'raking in' to do.

I was wondering the same thing. I assumed he meant he was reaching for them as the dealer was pushing towards him. 99% of people have no clue what a dolly is.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:11:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I was wondering the same thing. I assumed he meant he was reaching for them as the dealer was pushing towards him. .



I assumed he didn't win on the inside.
He bet on red and the outside wins
stay there till the dolly is removed.
I assumed he made it up that he had
money on the actual number.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:16:05 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I was wondering the same thing. I assumed he meant he was reaching for them as the dealer was pushing towards him. 99% of people have no clue what a dolly is.



I actually Googled it and found a great description on a page by the Wizard about Etiquette.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:21:37 AM permalink
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I actually Googled it and found a great description on a page by the Wizard about Etiquette.

He talks about refrigerator removal etiquette? ;)

I just assumed anything more than a 45 degree angle was bad.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:35:31 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I assumed he didn't win on the inside.
He bet on red and the outside wins
stay there till the dolly is removed.
I assumed he made it up that he had
money on the actual number.



The only chips he could've possibly raked in were the three $5 chips he had on the actual number. But why try and take those before you've been paid your winnings
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:35:43 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

He talks about refrigerator removal etiquette? ;)

I just assumed anything more than a 45 degree angle was bad.



Beats the alternative of lifting with your back. That has to be negative EV. ;)

Plus, I think they use straps now instead. Under the fridge, over the forearm.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:40:53 AM permalink
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Beats the alternative of lifting with your back. That has to be negative EV. ;)

Plus, I think they use straps now instead. Under the fridge, over the forearm.

I'm old fashion, I just slide and rock and walk it back and forth. Then toss it in the back and let the neighborhood toddlers play in it.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:44:30 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm old fashion, I just slide and rock and walk it back and forth. Then toss it in the back and let the neighborhood toddlers play in it.


But only if it has one of those self locking latches that I saw on that very special episode of Punky Brewster.
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January 27th, 2015 at 12:53:30 AM permalink
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I saw on that very special episode of Punky Brewster.

I'm very sorry to hear you were torcherd as a kid and didn't have internet porn. Or was that yesterday you watched it?

Could have been worst and you had to watch vicki the robot girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSvjqwJixw
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January 27th, 2015 at 1:03:56 AM permalink
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The only chips he could've possibly raked in were the three $5 chips he had on the actual number. But why try and take those before you've been paid your winnings



See? It makes no sense.
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January 27th, 2015 at 1:43:50 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm very sorry to hear you were torcherd as a kid and didn't have internet porn. Or was that yesterday you watched it?

Could have been worst and you had to watch vicki the robot girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSvjqwJixw



I'd much rather watch Mr. French and Mr. Belvedere go at it in a fist fight.
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January 27th, 2015 at 8:07:00 PM permalink
Axel is correct in his assumption. I was part of the 99%. I bet 5 and two column bets and hadn't gotten my skinny ass settled down in the chair when it hit. Best recollection is I (must have) got scolded for reaching before she finished pushing them out. Lost most of it back that same session and only played once since then.
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