Crazy 4 Poker +EV situation

Enough time and distance has passed that I can now tell the forum about an interesting situation we ended up in on the Strip in Vegas. We found a Crazy 4 Poker dealer who had this strange and predictable habit of not seeing 4 card straights or flushes in the dealer hand when there was also a pair. Every time, over multiple days. Even with the supervisor watching. We couldn't tell where this dealer and/or supervisor lay on the 'lazy'-to-'ignoring the rules for our benefit' spectrum.

Being the ethically gray gamblers that we were, we bet more than table min when this dealer was present, and table min on their break.

Estimate the EV. My mental calculations came up with about +4%. I haven't checked my math.

Also yell at me if it makes you feel better. I slept soundly, can't really tell you why.

I've weighed in before. If the supervisor is letting it go, you're guilt-free.

So straights and flushes are disregarded when a pair is present? Straight flushes as well?

Never saw the dealer with a 4 card SF, can't comment. They'd probably notice that and set it, just because of the novelty.

And if it wasn't clear, the dealer did notice 4 card straight and flushes, but only if there was no pair. As if the dealer logic was:
"is there a pair? yes: set it.
no pair? is there a straight or flush? set it."

nice catch and good for you!
you are guilt-free.

just like a dealer flash his/her cards, it is one of those rare (but none zero) +EV opportunities.

Crazy 4 seems to be a magnet for issues. At our casino, we had the rules written in such a way that the Super Bonus was not technically required. People were all over this game like flies on fecal matter, to the point where people sold their seats.

The house caught on after about two days and shut the game down until the rules could be re-written. Fun while it lasted, but also the fatal flaw of advantage loopholes - if everyone knows about it, the house fights back.

Quote: hwccdealer

Crazy 4 seems to be a magnet for issues. At our casino, we had the rules written in such a way that the Super Bonus was not technically required.

*short-circuits* Does. Not. Compute. Error. Error.

Seriously, how does a casino's management make a mistake like that? Especially with a proprietary game that probably has the rules laid out for them? This isn't a "small" thing like changing a few numbers on the payscale. This is goofy. There's even an equals sign on the felt, for crying out loud.

Quote: Deucekies

*short-circuits* Does. Not. Compute. Error. Error.

Seriously, how does a casino's management make a mistake like that? Especially with a proprietary game that probably has the rules laid out for them? This isn't a "small" thing like changing a few numbers on the payscale. This is goofy. There's even an equals sign on the felt, for crying out loud.

This is Ohio. The same state that intended to write a law that banned casino owners from gambling in their own properties and ended up banning ANYONE with a gaming license from gambling ANYWHERE in the state. The state that just needs to change its flag to a giant screw and an arrow pointing up. The state where the game's rules were written (into law, no less) by drunken cows.

Quote: dwheatley

Enough time and distance has passed that I can now tell the forum about an interesting situation we ended up in on the Strip in Vegas. We found a Crazy 4 Poker dealer who had this strange and predictable habit of not seeing 4 card straights or flushes in the dealer hand when there was also a pair. Every time, over multiple days. Even with the supervisor watching. We couldn't tell where this dealer and/or supervisor lay on the 'lazy'-to-'ignoring the rules for our benefit' spectrum.

Being the ethically gray gamblers that we were, we bet more than table min when this dealer was present, and table min on their break.

Estimate the EV. My mental calculations came up with about +4%. I haven't checked my math.

Also yell at me if it makes you feel better. I slept soundly, can't really tell you why.

A lot of Crazy 4 Poker dealers get mixed up with 3 of a kinds beating straights and flushes. I've seen many straights and flushes paid when the dealer has 3 of a kind.

It sounds to me like in a this dealer probably thinks that in addition to the 3oak being more valuable than a straight or flush, a pair is also more valuable.

I'd be hitting that table HARD if I found it. I love Crazy 4 Poker.

So what happens when you get 3OAK and the dealer gets the flush or straight?

You have to lose the hand, or point out that the dealer has been handling it wrong all day?

Quote: RaleighCraps

So what happens when you get 3OAK and the dealer gets the flush or straight?

You have to lose the hand, or point out that the dealer has been handling it wrong all day?

It's never happened to me, but one time this happened to the guy next to me. At that point he pointed out that 3oak beats a flush. Dealer goes, "Oh, so I've been paying you wrong all night." She was pissed. It was uncomfortable.

Quote: ams288

A lot of Crazy 4 Poker dealers get mixed up with 3 of a kinds beating straights and flushes.
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I'd be hitting that table HARD if I found it. I love Crazy 4 Poker.

Now I understand why it is called "Crazy" 4 Poker.

Quote: hwccdealer

Crazy 4 seems to be a magnet for issues. At our casino, we had the rules written in such a way that the Super Bonus was not technically required. People were all over this game like flies on fecal matter, to the point where people sold their seats.

I wish I caught something like that. One day is enough.