terapined
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March 30th, 2014 at 11:03:02 AM permalink
Hello all,
The latest gambling game I have been playing is Pai Gow Poker.
I started learning this game once JB's strategy was put up on the Wiz's odds site.
Its a real fun game because sometimes you have to do some thinking before setting your 2 hands.
I actually play with a small piece of paper with an abbreviated version of JB's strategy.
Thanks JB
Just got back from Vegas and played a ton of PGP in various casinos.
My last day I stopped by the Golden Nugget and discovered commission free PGP. Minimum bet was only 10 bucks but it was midweek morning, that may go up later in the day. Casino still has an edge by winning ties and a healthy advantage on the side bets.
Are there any other casinos out there that have commission free PGP?
Also how about cheap PGP. Binions sometimes has a 5 minimum in the morning.
I also like the 1 buck fortune side bet. Commission free Golden Nugget has the minimum 1 buck fortune bet, CET with 5% comm, also has a fortune bet but the min is 5 bucks which I think sucks.
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Nareed
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March 30th, 2014 at 11:12:23 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

My last day I stopped by the Golden Nugget and discovered commission free PGP. Minimum bet was only 10 bucks but it was midweek morning, that may go up later in the day. Casino still has an edge by winning ties and a healthy advantage on the side bets.



Was this EZ Pai Gow? If so, 1) Our own esteemed Paigowdan invented it, 2) I thought the edge lay on a push when the house has a Queen-high PG, 3) you can find it at least at the Fiesta Henderson, and 4) Dan will surely know to the last table where else it is to be found.
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March 30th, 2014 at 11:14:22 AM permalink
You are talking about the game invented by our forum member, PaiGowDan. The rule that keeps the house edge similar to regular pai gow poker is that if the dealer has a queen high pai gow hand, it is an automatic draw. It has the advantage that the dealer isn't using quarters. It has the disadvantage in that most places do not allow player banking.
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March 30th, 2014 at 11:36:31 AM permalink
I recently played pai gow poker at Viejas Casino in San Diego. The rules were a lot different then any game I had ever played. I'm wondering if paigowdan invented this as well since it was no commission.

Jokers are used as any wild. Not just to complete a flush or a straight. So if you have 3 nines and a joker, now you have 4 nines.
When the dealer had anything lower than ace high pai gow ( king high, queen high, etc..) then you only won half your bet. So if you bet $50 on the hand and you win against a 9 high pai gow then you're only paid $25.

Fortune bonus did not have a 3 of a kind payout and 4 of a kind only paid 10-1. However if you won a fortune bonus when the dealer had a king high pai gow or lower, then your winnings doubled. So for example you bet $10 on fortune bonus. You hit a flush at 4 - 1 so you're paid $40. Well if dealer has a J high pai gow you're paid $80.

I hated this game terribly. Dan was this your creation?
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March 30th, 2014 at 11:48:24 AM permalink
Just a nitpick here, but the version at the Golden Nugget on Fremont isn't EZ Paigow. It's some other no-commission variant where it pushes on low-hand 9-high, rather than high-hand queen-high. Unfortunately, I didn't see what happens if the high-hand has something and the low hand is just a 9-high. Also, according to the table literature at the time, banking WAS allowed. There was some dispute over that, and the floor manager removed the literature as a result.

Other than that, it's pretty much the same.

Quote: Beardgoat

I recently played pai gow poker at Viejas Casino in San Diego. The rules were a lot different then any game I had ever played. I'm wondering if paigowdan invented this as well since it was no commission.



...Well, those payouts sound weird. O_o

Quote: terapined

Are there any other casinos out there that have commission free PGP?



No idea where your home territory is, but Pala in the Temecula, SoCal region has it.
MathExtremist
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March 30th, 2014 at 11:57:18 AM permalink
It's commission-free in most casinos in Washington State too. No rule changes like EZ or any other pushes, it's just commission-free. The house edge is lower as a result but it's not player-favorable the way baccarat would be if it were played with no commission.
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March 30th, 2014 at 12:01:23 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

It's commission-free in most casinos in Washington State too. No rule changes like EZ or any other pushes, it's just commission-free. The house edge is lower as a result but it's not player-favorable the way baccarat would be if it were played with no commission.



Do they still allow banking?
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March 30th, 2014 at 12:01:33 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

Just a nitpick here, but the version at the Golden Nugget on Fremont isn't EZ Paigow. It's some other no-commission variant where it pushes on low-hand 9-high, rather than high-hand queen-high.



I'm willing to take your word for it. I thougt it was EZ PG becasue I recall seeing it at the GN in 2012. I don't think I looked for it in 2013.
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MathExtremist
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March 30th, 2014 at 12:15:17 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

Do they still allow banking?


The rules do, but only every other hand. Specific casinos' rules may vary.

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/pai-gow-poker.pdf
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March 30th, 2014 at 12:46:33 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

Just a nitpick here, but the version at the Golden Nugget on Fremont isn't EZ Paigow. It's some other no-commission variant where it pushes on low-hand 9-high, rather than high-hand queen-high.


This sounds like Bally/SHFL version of Commission Free PGP. GN definitely used to have EZ PGP, wonder when they switched or added the Bally/SHFL version?

Also Beargoat, any PGP version with Fortune Bonus in it also sounds like a Bally/SHFL version, although I have not seen that version before.

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