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November 19th, 2013 at 7:14:37 PM permalink
Not only did I see lots of new table games at Raving yesterday, but an actual new game on the casino floor of the Paris. It is called 2 Face Blackjack. The thrust of it is the dealer exposes his hole card if the up card is a face card. They pay for this by removing the tens from the deck and blackjack pays even money.

I just started a page on 2 Face Blackjack, but so far all that is there are the rules. Xcite Gaming is behind it. I just asked them for the math report. Hopefully they will provide it.

I played the game for about 15 minutes and thought it was a pretty good idea. When the dealer exposed the hole card, I had to make educated guesses on the strategy.
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November 19th, 2013 at 9:10:30 PM permalink
That is an interesting game.
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November 19th, 2013 at 9:20:21 PM permalink
Now this sounds like an interesting game. Easy to understand,
and the player gets to see the dealer hole card at times. This
gives the player a jolt, and a reason to play again. The person
who designed this understands what players want, unlike 90%
of the designers out there.
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November 19th, 2013 at 10:13:26 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

When the dealer exposed the hole card, I had to make educated guesses on the strategy.



For any hand where the dealer exposes his hole card, would the correct strategy be similar to that used when playing double exposure blackjack.?

I guess with the 10s removed there'd be some differences
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November 19th, 2013 at 11:55:22 PM permalink
double exposure with a running count of -24 to start for six decks. :(
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November 20th, 2013 at 7:33:16 AM permalink
Here's what I get for the strategy against the dealer's 17 to 20:
Hard	17	18	19	20
4-8 H H H sur.
9 H H H sur.
10 H H H H
11 H H H H
12 H H H sur.
13 H H H sur.
14 H H H sur.
15 H H H sur.
16 H H sur. sur.
17 S H sur. sur.
18 S S sur. sur.
19 S S S sur.
20-21 S S S S

Soft 17 18 19 20
13 H H H H
14 H H H H
15 H H H H
16 H H H H
17 H H H H
18 S H H H
19 S S S H
20-21 S S S S

Splits 17 18 19 20
2,2 split split H sur.
3,3 split split H sur.
4,4 H H H sur.
5,5 H H H H
6,6 split H H sur.
7,7 split H H sur.
8,8 split split sur. sur.
9,9 S split split sur.
10,10 S S S S
A,A H H H H
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November 20th, 2013 at 7:38:37 AM permalink
Is there no doubling allowed on this game?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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November 20th, 2013 at 8:27:51 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Is there no doubling allowed on this game?



The player would double a lot when the dealer has 12- 16. Here's what I get vs 12-16:

Hard 12 13 14 15 16
4 H H H H doub.
5 H H H H doub.
6 H H H doub. doub.
7 H H H doub. doub.
8 H doub. doub. doub. doub.
9 doub. doub. doub. doub. doub.
10 doub. doub. doub. doub. doub.
11 doub. doub. doub. doub. doub.
12 H S S S S
13-21 S S S S S

Soft 12 13 14 15 16
13-18 doub. doub. doub. doub. doub.
19 S doub. doub. doub. doub.
20 S S S doub. doub.
21 S S S S doub.*

Splits 12 13 14 15 16
2,2 split split split split split
3,3 split split split split split
4,4 split split split split split
5,5 doub. doub. doub. doub. doub.
6,6 split split split split split
7,7 split split split split split
8,8 split split split split split
9,9 split split split split split
10,10 S S S split split
A,A split split split split split


*After splitting 10,10 vs 16, the player would double 10,A. However, the player wouldn't double blackjack vs 16.
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November 20th, 2013 at 9:26:21 AM permalink
Ooh this sounds fun. I love all the blackjack variation games.

How many times do you play blackjack and it feels like every hand the dealer keeps showing face cards? Well it seems like you'd actually WANT that with this game.

And compared to the push on 22 games, the missing 10s aren't very noticeable to the player whereas the push on 22 can be infuriating. Even money BJ is no fun, but bearable.

I'll check it out when I'm in Vegas in a week and a half.
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November 20th, 2013 at 9:26:29 AM permalink
I guess I don't understand not doubling Hard-11 against 17, just for one example. There are twelve values in this game, six values win, one value pushes and five values lose.

Worst case scenario, the Hard-11 consists of 9,2, so in an eight deck shoe, you have:

48 * 8 = 384

31 + 32 + 31 + 95 = 189

32 to push

31 + 32 + 32 + 32 +32 = 159

(189/380 * 2) - (32 * 0) - (159/380 * 2) = 0.1578947368421052

Now, the same results, but with hitting:

(189/380 * 1) - (32 * 0) - (159/380 * 1) = 0.0789473684210526

In the value of hitting to a total of 12-16 and being able to hit again, we'd need to find expected value of:

0.1578947368421052 - 0.0789473684210526 = 0.0789473684210526

Over the value of hitting to a total of 17-21.

I do understand that the probability of just winning the hand clearly increases, I'm just wondering by how much.

It would take some time for me to determine all of the possible outcomes for that hit on 11 to a total of 17+, otherwise bust, so do you happen to already know the EV of hitting on Hard-11 vs. a Dealer Seven?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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