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gr8player
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September 2nd, 2013 at 1:30:24 PM permalink
Quote: egalite

I assure you he hasn't, after he was banned at BF and just before the site went off air, I accessed his sub-forum, which he was the only member and read the solitary post he made to himself. He is more Frankenstein than most, with his nonsensical theories. He is so quick to shoot from the hip, one can only conclude the pressure of the game is serving less well than the "claimed top shelf hookers on the strip" he thought it was cool to brag about, plus he is obviously miffed and hurt at being removed.



As much as I ignore most of your baloney, I simply cannot remain silent here, as I find this absolutely disgraceful:

No one should be permitted to continue to rag on and on about a member that's currently suspended, and, therefore, cannot defend themselves.

Only one definition of such behavior: Despicable.

Stop it.
MathExtremist
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September 2nd, 2013 at 9:36:08 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Firstly, I utilize both trending bet selections and money management; both are of equal import to my play.

Technically, that's true: neither bet selections nor money management are of any importance whatsoever in regards to adjusting one's theoretical return. There is a reason all of those phrases fall under the umbrella of the Gambler's Fallacy: it's because they are fallacious. There's nothing at all wrong with playing according to trends, but it's not accurate to suggest that your recent good luck was the result of any skill you've developed at picking winners, identifying trends, selecting bets, or managing your money. You're ahead because you won more money than you lost on a game that -- the way you play it -- is entirely based on luck.

I don't expect this missive to change your mind, but you should at least understand that very few readers of this forum in particular believe in the maturity of chances or that perceived trends at a table indicate anything at all about future outcomes. As is said in the investment world, "past performance is no guarantee of future results." That is even truer of baccarat than of corporate equities.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
AxelWolf
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September 2nd, 2013 at 10:48:12 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

"past performance is no guarantee of future results." .

Leave out the word "guarantee" cause nothing guarantees any winners even with +EV except under extreme cases. My question is what about sports handicapping? I remember a machine/BJ AP telling a sports bettor this, "past performance dose not affect future results. The machine/BJ player now broke. The Sports bettor is now very well off.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
egalite
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September 3rd, 2013 at 3:22:31 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

As much as I ignore most of your baloney, I simply cannot remain silent here, as I find this absolutely disgraceful:

No one should be permitted to continue to rag on and on about a member that's currently suspended, and, therefore, cannot defend themselves.

Only one definition of such behavior: Despicable.

Stop it.

He doesn't defend, or even debate, he just goes for twisting the jugular , which suggests, "something just isn't right", in his lonely world. He's now on his second ban, probably only a matter of time before it is made permanent one would think. So how would that leave you? Minus one significant "he's on my side"!!!

If my memory serves me right, I vaguely recall a few years ago, a nonsensical poster being bounced from this site (or could have been one of the respected BJ sites), simply based on them forever posting stupidity and doing the forum a disservice by perpetrating gambling myths. One wonders about your own long term longevity, despite your feeble attempts at borrowing my phraseology ("heat of battle"). I've ran into you far too often, to know how you operate. Now your on a forum were nearly everybody do not buy into the silliness you managed to perpetrate while feeding off elsewhere.

I also know how you react if you don't receive the attention & adulation you seem to think you deserve (not totally unexpected that your threads are the only ones ranked, been doin' it yourself!). The sad fact is, none of this has its roots in winning, losing, or is even gambling related. I was serious with the suggestion of you putting any current profits into discovering why this need exists.
DeMango
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September 3rd, 2013 at 3:53:34 AM permalink
Johno: Would that be the infamous Frank Stanton going on and on about the "flaw", on bj21?
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egalite
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September 3rd, 2013 at 5:37:49 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Johno: Would that be the infamous Frank Stanton going on and on about the "flaw", on bj21?

I can't remember it is going back a few years, I do recall the (don't know if it was WOO or a BJ site), the admin removing somebody not because of any abuse, rather due to to their wacky way of thinking in the interest of its members. It was something along the lines of, we don't need our members reading this kind of nonsense here as it is doing a dis-service by hosting or spreading this crap (to be applauded no doubt). I remarked on it at the time at the Glen.
Mission146
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September 3rd, 2013 at 7:46:20 AM permalink
It would have to be extremely ridiculous for me to ban someone for that reason, and probably even to the level of trolling by way of creating a crap-ton of threads. The nice thing about the experience and mathematical knowledge of the Members of this Forum is that, individuals can essentially post whatever they want, and there's going to be enough mathematically valid counter-argument for an individual to know what's what, regardless of what a sub-section of individuals have to say.

Although, Gr8Player seems to wish to demonstrate his methods to us within certain parameters...I'm still awaiting his response on a different thread as he accepted the terms of my experiment with certain modifications that would render it pointless. I explained why it would be rendered pointless and await a response.
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egalite
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September 3rd, 2013 at 9:16:02 AM permalink
The more I think about it, I am pretty sure it wasn't the WOO rather a renowned BJ forum. Some people drop all kinds of dog turds when it comes to gambling, at the time it was refreshing to see a site actually do something about it.

While I can't predict the next hand in a game of Baccarat, the outcome of your offer was sure predictable.
MathExtremist
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September 3rd, 2013 at 9:31:41 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Leave out the word "guarantee" cause nothing guarantees any winners even with +EV except under extreme cases. My question is what about sports handicapping? I remember a machine/BJ AP telling a sports bettor this, "past performance dose not affect future results. The machine/BJ player now broke. The Sports bettor is now very well off.


Sports team performance from week to week is not an independent random variable. The team has statefulness that is relevant to the game being played. That's also true of the shoe in blackjack, but not of the shoe in baccarat or of dice or roulette. Using football as an example, if a team's star defensive lineman goes down, that's information that you can use to adjust your expectation of the O/U line. If you get your bet down before the bookies change their lines, you can profit. Sports betting is entirely a game of information. Table games are typically not.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
gr8player
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September 4th, 2013 at 2:24:26 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Technically, that's true: neither bet selections nor money management are of any importance whatsoever in regards to adjusting one's theoretical return. There is a reason all of those phrases fall under the umbrella of the Gambler's Fallacy: it's because they are fallacious. There's nothing at all wrong with playing according to trends, but it's not accurate to suggest that your recent good luck was the result of any skill you've developed at picking winners, identifying trends, selecting bets, or managing your money. You're ahead because you won more money than you lost on a game that -- the way you play it -- is entirely based on luck.

I don't expect this missive to change your mind, but you should at least understand that very few readers of this forum in particular believe in the maturity of chances or that perceived trends at a table indicate anything at all about future outcomes. As is said in the investment world, "past performance is no guarantee of future results." That is even truer of baccarat than of corporate equities.



Hello, MathExtremist.

Good post....you present yourself and your opinions well. Nice job.

I "get" it. I'm not purporting any particular "skill", especially as it pertains to "picking winners".

Alternatively, I prefer to utilize certain statistics to assist me in "picking my winners" (read: bet selections). C'mon, your very moniker says it all..."MathExtremist"...you must believe in certain statistics, as well.

And I play those stats and selections consistantly, with a "sliding scale" money management adjusted according to the most current strike rate(s) of same.

Lastly, MathExtremist, I also "get" the fact that I'm in the minority in this forum. I fully understand that "your math" trumps "my math". I respect that. After all, your math is both readily at hand and discernible....my math is a bit more nebulous, to say the least.

But it's still mine; my play, my bet, and my math. For me, and to me, it's as valuable and valid as your math.

"Past performance is no guarantee of future results"....c'mon, man, we all know what the only "guarantees" are in this world.

Some trends last, some don't. Doesn't really matter on a decision-to-decision basis; not to me, anyhow. Because I'll "no-bet". I'm that hunter waiting in the woods until my prey appears as vulnerable. I'll wait it out. My "math" will kick in, as sure as yours does, just mine might take a bit longer, that's all.

I wish you all the very best of it, MathExtremist, and stay well, my friend.

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