THESWEENEY
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May 30th, 2013 at 11:50:32 AM permalink
How the initiated would actually work out the commission on $125. Give the tax on $75, and take the tax from $200 by......

25cent chip = 5 points, $1 chip = 20 points. Take out 75 points out of float to round up to 200, and then take the full $10 off 125, so take out $115. Eureka, the dealer has $118.75 in front of them. Alternatively the player may give the dealer $1.25, so 125 - 25 = 100, take five dollars commission and give player $120.
rdw4potus
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May 30th, 2013 at 11:56:33 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Thanks! There is a big improvement in speed, it's huge. DEQ has it at around 20% improvement.
I disagree with claims that it's a non-issue, because yes, all dealers on commission games, - like all clerks, - do have to take a moment and go "Hmm....lemme see...half of $125 is $72.50 - NO - $62.50, and a tenth of THAT is $6.25...so $125 - $6.25 is....$119.75 - NO - $118.75, yeah, that's it...." and THEN they have to go and cut this all out. Paying $125 straight up is one black and one green, and it's done in a flash. And I've seen dealers pay $125 minus commission by taking out $1.25 on the commission, not $6.25.



Commission is $1 per $20 won. 125/20=6.25. If that takes any dealer longer than 2 seconds, they're in the wrong line of work.

Edit: EZ PGP is a great game, and a vast improvement. But the status quo isn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

Re-edit: Houses could help themselves a lot on the pace of play by avoiding $25 minimums. I think that a $20 minimum would result in a higher hold due to the increased pace of play.
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Buzzard
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May 30th, 2013 at 12:12:10 PM permalink
" Now, if you wanted to post "I think EZ Pai Gow is crappy because I just don't like Dan," - well, then THAT I would see and respect. "

At last I get the respect due me !

"I think EZ Pai Gow is crappy because I just don't like Dan."
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THESWEENEY
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June 2nd, 2013 at 11:16:11 PM permalink
Just to clarify, my intention wasn't to 'DanBash'. I was simply pointing out the way experienced croupiers work. We tend to work in chips/stacks rather than pounds, shillings, and pence.
sodawater
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June 2nd, 2013 at 11:37:37 PM permalink
I think it's hilarious that Dan used $125 as an example of a bet that would slow down gameplay.

Any dealer who has dealt any asian game for longer than a day can take commission out of $125 in her sleep. $5 for the $100, and $1.25 for the $25, probably the two most common bets in the asian pit. lol. It wouldn't even take that long... most players and dealers see $125 and instantly know $6.25 commission.
FinsRule
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June 3rd, 2013 at 4:09:46 AM permalink
This whole thing is ridiculously simple. If I am someone who banks, then regular pai gow poker is better because banking is more common. If I never bank, then EZ pai gow is better.

I rarely bank unless I'm playing heads up anyway. People generally dislike when you bank and I'm just trying to have fun. But none of this has to do with Dan's game that allows banking!
FinsRule
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June 3rd, 2013 at 4:14:18 AM permalink
On a separate topic, since I believe Pai Gows are correlated with other people having Pai Gows, I think the house edge might be even lower than Dan states. Although now that I think about it, maybe not. Take away 7 non joker cards below a queen from the deck, and I'd think you'd have better than a 72% chance to win the hand? Eh, maybe it balances out.
SplittingAA
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June 7th, 2013 at 2:27:38 PM permalink
I can't believe I just read this whole thread. I have nothing to contribute to the argument over HE or player banking, except that most of the casinos around here (Ohio, Indiana, and West Virginia) do not offer player banking at any of their versions PGP.

I just came on here to report that I played No Commission EZ PGP at Belterra Casino in Southern Indiana for the first time a couple nights ago. The game was very enjoyable. It was a $5 table which is a nice option to the $25 minimums required at the new Hollywood Casino in Columbus for fortune PGP.

I Played for approximately two hours (70-80 hands) and saw 2 dealer Q-high (the first time, I had K-high so a dealer Q-high was a welcome sight; even if I would have normally won the hand. I was actually relieved to push after setting and sweating what I believed to be a typically losing hand). At $5 / hand my $100 bankroll fluctuated between $85 and $115 over that whole session. Nobody's getting rich playing this game (except the casinos as they push all day on the main bets and collect on the sucker side bets).

I play PGP because I feel that these tables foster a good environment for social interaction, regardless of one poster's desire to refrain from chit chat.
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