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michael99000
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March 12th, 2020 at 3:51:55 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

With an empty arena, the home field advantage and the away team disadvantage should cancel out, so the odds and betting should remain the same.



Makes no sense.

The home team advantage and the away team disadvantage are the same thing.

The lines in an empty arena would reflect that of a neutral site game.
AZDuffman
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March 12th, 2020 at 4:19:03 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Makes no sense.

The home team advantage and the away team disadvantage are the same thing.

The lines in an empty arena would reflect that of a neutral site game.



It does not matter anymore, but for discussion.

Home team is about more than fans. You sleep in your own bed. You go to your own locker room where you have more personal things than at an away game. You know the "feel" of the court/ice/turf. Your eating patterns have not changed. All of these things add up.

An empty arena takes out any potential fan bias. which should have balanced out in the NCAA Tourney, but we all know some teams travel better than others. The rest both sides mostly have to deal with, assuming travel time and time zone differences even out.
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March 12th, 2020 at 5:35:31 PM permalink
Home field advantage.

Baseball..... Batting last is an advantage.
Hockey.... Home team gets last change on faceoffs. Advantage.

I do not think there are any rules that favor home over road team in NFL or NBA.

I've played basketball in an empty NCAA Division 1 arena. No problem with depth perception. Home fans also attempt to distract opposing players possibly adding to a home court advantage.
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March 12th, 2020 at 6:08:42 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Makes no sense.

The home team advantage and the away team disadvantage are the same thing.

The lines in an empty arena would reflect that of a neutral site game.



That's exactly what I was trying to say. You just restated my position. Guess I wasn't clear enough?
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March 12th, 2020 at 6:49:10 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

That's exactly what I was trying to say. You just restated my position. Guess I wasn't clear enough?

Except the line would move. Because of course the line moves if the game moves from a home field to a neutral field.
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July 25th, 2020 at 4:43:02 AM permalink
Empty Arena/Park games are now a reality.

Wondering if anyone has watched MLB empty-park games so far and has any input as to if the lack of fans is affecting the games?

IMHO, baseball will be least affected as there are no audibles to call over loud fans. Baseball fans are usually just a few steps above golf fans as to what we can call "energy" in the regular season, so the effect should be minimal.

Thoughts?
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July 25th, 2020 at 7:15:26 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Empty Arena/Park games are now a reality.

Wondering if anyone has watched MLB empty-park games so far and has any input as to if the lack of fans is affecting the games?

IMHO, baseball will be least affected as there are no audibles to call over loud fans. Baseball fans are usually just a few steps above golf fans as to what we can call "energy" in the regular season, so the effect should be minimal.

Thoughts?



I haven't noticed any difference without fans in baseball. it seems the same to me.
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July 25th, 2020 at 8:02:04 AM permalink
Home teams sleep in their own beds, eat wherever they normally do and do their normal routine.
Away teams sleep in hotels or travel on day games, eat room service or in unfamiliar places and are outside their routine.
An empty arena does not equate to a neutral site.
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AZDuffman
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July 25th, 2020 at 8:07:58 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Home teams sleep in their own beds, eat wherever they normally do and do their normal routine.
Away teams sleep in hotels or travel on day games, eat room service or in unfamiliar places and are outside their routine.
An empty arena does not equate to a neutral site.



I agree totally. Just curious how much weight should be given to no fans.
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July 25th, 2020 at 10:02:43 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I agree totally. Just curious how much weight should be given to no fans.



I would give almost zero weight to that.
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