National Anthem Betting
A few questions.. How would you rule?
1. The Anthem is over after the singer finishes the last word in it. Anything the singer says, mouths, sings, gyrates, twerks after such is irrelevant. Under
2. The Anthem is not over until the singer is done singing, regardless of if those are the actual lyrics in the Anthem. Over
On a somewhat more serious note, do you think Bovada had more money bet on the Over thus ruled Under, and BetOnLne had more money bet on Under, and thus ruled Over?
I would rule Under if I had to. If asked to explain, I would state that the bet begins at the first word, and ends at the last word, and any words before or after are not germane to the bet.
It would surprise me if the site that ruled "over" had more money the other way... "Terms and Conditions... We reserve all rights!"
Quote: SOOPOOSaw story that said Bovada was paying for under 2:20 while BetOnLine was paying over 2:20. Apparently when she finished the National Anthem's last word, "brave", it was at 2:19. After the conclusion of the National Anthem, she sung additional words, "the brave", which took her past 2:19.
A few questions.. How would you rule?
1. The Anthem is over after the singer finishes the last word in it. Anything the singer says, mouths, sings, gyrates, twerks after such is irrelevant. Under
2. The Anthem is not over until the singer is done singing, regardless of if those are the actual lyrics in the Anthem. Over
On a somewhat more serious note, do you think Bovada had more money bet on the Over thus ruled Under, and BetOnLne had more money bet on Under, and thus ruled Over?
I would rule Under if I had to. If asked to explain, I would state that the bet begins at the first word, and ends at the last word, and any words before or after are not germane to the bet.
Hmm. I saw a private bet go to the over and I'm inclined to agree. To me, it is the performance of the song and the song isn't over till she stops singing.
There was a similar controversy on Coldplay. I bet that their first song would not be "Yellow." The singer sang the first 2 words of Yellow and then the band launched into some other song. Several books paid both sides. 5dimes graded it a loser. Of course, that's where I bet.
Here is the video to judge for yourself:
By my count, she started at 0:25 and ended at 2:46, for a total time of 2:21.
Quote: Wizard
By my count, she started at 0:25 and ended at 2:46, for a total time of 2:21.
She finished all the words of the Star Spangled Banner at 2:36. She then repeated some words which took her until 2:46. Your interpretation is the the National Anthem is not over until the singer is done singing, regardless of what she continues to sing, I assume?
I'm not sure where the 2:19 ruling came from? It seems like they're taking when the performer stopped, and not the words, which to me is still clearly "over" 2:20.
Video I watched (since Mike's link didn't work for me - You have to watch it on YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqkN3zezso
Quote: RomesSo I just watched the video on YouTube... she started singing (the moment I first heard her voice for the song) at 25 seconds of the video exactly... and stopped with the "literal words" at 2:35, for 2 minutes 10 seconds. If you're counting the "extra" of the brave then she stopped at 2:47, for 2 minutes and 22 seconds.
I'm not sure where the 2:19 ruling came from? It seems like they're taking when the performer stopped, and not the words, which to me is still clearly "over" 2:20.
Video I watched (since Mike's link didn't work for me - You have to watch it on YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyqkN3zezso
The point is it either stopped before 2:20 or after 2:20, depending on whether you count her extra words after she was done with all the generally accepted lyrics.
Or, in this case, till the thin lady stops singing.
I rule over.
(i lost the under obv)
Quote: HowManyQuestion- did all performers actually sing live? or was there any lip syncing going on?
The folks at my party said that Beyonce was lip syncing just as a matter of course (due to the extensive dance routine), but to me there were no obvious indicators (mouth out of sync with the music, etc.). If she was, she did a good job of making it look live.
Quote: AcesAndEightsThe folks at my party said that Beyonce was lip syncing just as a matter of course (due to the extensive dance routine), but to me there were no obvious indicators (mouth out of sync with the music, etc.). If she was, she did a good job of making it look live.
I almost always assume everything "live" is lip synced these days. My question would be how could they make the performers microphones sound so good yet almost every referee has static and breaks up when explaining a penalty?
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I wanted the over thinking she's a rebel and a showman. Djatc wanted the under so he put up $10 or $20 I can't remember. Two people got their cell phones out and started their timers. Both people stopped their timers during the pause. He thought he had won, I yelled she's still singing.
I got pied. IMO it isn't over till its over.
PS. He lost the coin flip to.
As to the bet, my opinion is that she went over, because that was part of the performance, even if it was a coda/repeat, but was very interested (asked this exact question yesterday in the props thread) to hear where you pros came down on it.
Quote: ontariodealerI bet the over and got paid.....tip for next year any female or any black always bet the over.
How many shades of black? Also does Bruce Jenner count as a female?
Quote: ontariodealerin my world, bruce jenner would be shot.
Just put him in a mental institution on his step daughters dime.
I Think the fair thing to do is to give Djact back half of whatever he paid me. Unfortunately for him that's not going to happening. ☺Quote: IbeatyouracesJust put him in a mental institution on his step daughters dime.
Quote: WizardShe sang "brave" again after "home of the brave." In my opinion, it was part of her performance and thus should count. I might add the planes didn't fly over until the final "brave," adding to it being part of the intended performance. I definitely go with the over.
Quote: beachbumbabsAs to the bet, my opinion is that she went over, because that was part of the performance, even if it was a coda/repeat, but was very interested (asked this exact question yesterday in the props thread) to hear where you pros came down on it.
I agree with Wiz and BBB. The bet should be for the time of the performance, not just the time of how long it took to sing the official words and arrangement.
Quote: ontariodealerI bet the over and got paid.....tip for next year any female or any black always bet the over.
Quote: ontariodealerin my world, bruce jenner would be shot.
Wow, what a hateful string of posts.
Lady G hit a home run. To argue about the bat is something the losers do. Maybe they should curtail their betting? Did you use to bet on family feud (1980) ? Gamblers, ??Quote: BasesLoadedJust watched it again. The additional "... the brave." was definitely part of the song. A terrific rendition of the anthem, by the way.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLLady G hit a home run. To argue about the bat is something the losers do. Maybe they should curtail their betting? Did you use to bet on family feud (1980) ? Gamblers, ??
I don't like losing/not winning on technicalities.
