I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
Quote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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If it's your money go get it.
I left money on a slot and they proactively located me to alert me to go back to the machine with the money still in it
At a 2nd place someone grabbed the money before I returned and I filed charges with the police. He turned up a few months later and was given a court summons.
And yes I have to be vigilant when I cash out. I have left money in the machine at least a few times as you can see.
Quote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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The person who hit the button wins the money.
Not always. It depends on the situation. If you are in the seat with your money in the machine but turned around looking back for some reason. Then suddenly some joker comes up and hits your spin button and hits a jackpot, do you think he wins your money? GTFOQuote: billryanQuote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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The person who hit the button wins the money.
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That rule is in place for partners, people, and ploys of people playing together so they can't sit there and choose who gets the W2G after the fact.
Quote: AxelWolfNot always. It depends on the situation. If you are in the seat with your money in the machine but turned around looking back for some reason. Then suddenly some joker comes up and hits your spin button and hits a jackpot, do you think he wins your money? GTFOQuote: billryanQuote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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The person who hit the button wins the money.
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That rule is in place for partners, people, and ploys of people playing together so they can't sit there and choose who gets the W2G after the fact.
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The person who left the money in the machine has no claim on a jackpot hit after he left the machine.
Either does the person who found the money. The money on the machine would belong to the person who left it behind, or the casino/state.Quote: billryanQuote: AxelWolfNot always. It depends on the situation. If you are in the seat with your money in the machine but turned around looking back for some reason. Then suddenly some joker comes up and hits your spin button and hits a jackpot, do you think he wins your money? GTFOQuote: billryanQuote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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The person who hit the button wins the money.
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That rule is in place for partners, people, and ploys of people playing together so they can't sit there and choose who gets the W2G after the fact.
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The person who left the money in the machine has no claim on a jackpot hit after he left the machine.
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Depending on the jurisdiction and circumstances they have committed a crime by playing/using the credits that were not theirs to play the machine.
I assume it would come to intent, and if they knew they were using abandoned credits, or if it was by accident. Regardless, the person playing credits that were not theirs wouldn't be entitled to the jackpot, It would be as if it didn't happen. Again, the money on the machine would belong to the person who left it behind or the casino/state.
That is a different situation and I think it would come down to intent. This is an old-time trick credit hustlers would use when they found credits on a machine in an attempt to circumvent blatant theft and claim ignorance.Quote: billryanIf you leave $42 in a machine and I deposit $100, I'm playing on my money. Until the meter dips below $42, I'm not playing on your money. I never touched your money and it is right where you left it. It should be obvious I intended to play the machine, not abscond with the money you stupidly left behind.
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I still wonder who's credits are being used first in the situation you described? If I were the casino and I thought it was a credit hustler/someone who knew better, I would withhold the jackpot and let gaming decide.
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I still wonder who's credits are being used first in the situation you described? If I were the casino and I thought it was a credit hustler/someone who knew better, I would withhold the jackpot and let gaming decide.
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When I buy food that's "buy one get one free" I always wonder if I should first eat the free one, or the one I paid for.
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I still wonder who's credits are being used first in the situation you described? If I were the casino and I thought it was a credit hustler/someone who knew better, I would withhold the jackpot and let gaming decide.
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Who's credits were being used would have no bearing on the outcome in Nevada. If the casino could show a pattern or intent of the second player I agree they would leave it up to gaming. If it appeared to be an innocent situation where the second player did not know they would be awarded the jackpot but would owe the first player the amount of credits left on the machine. Honestly, the outcome of the spin should have absolutely no bearing on the ruling.
Quote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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Depends on the casino and the security supervisor.
one casino is tough luck.
at another casino, i've left $ twice in a year. 1st time, the security supervisor asked for my phone # and will update me on the status.
They caught the guy at the cage right before cashing out. (no idea why he didnt use the kiosk)
I got my $ back. Forgot what happened to him.
2nd time a year later, security basically said tough luck. maybe policy change?
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: heatmapHas anyone ever experienced this and what happened?
I am specifically interested in the casinos rules after the fact.
And also, say you leave money in a machine, and a person sits down, puts more money in the machine, and then hits a jackpot...?
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Depends on the casino and the security supervisor.
one casino is tough luck.
at another casino, i've left $ twice in a year. 1st time, the security supervisor asked for my phone # and will update me on the status.
They caught the guy at the cage right before cashing out. (no idea why he didnt use the kiosk)
I got my $ back. Forgot what happened to him.
2nd time a year later, security basically said tough luck. maybe policy change?
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Some guy said he lost his money at a Casino and saw a seemingly abandoned $70 in a slot. He thought,"Here's my chance to get back the money I lost!" He pressed cash out and took the TITO and begun running to the cashier cage. A Casino Staff Member stopped him and made him give back the TITO to the Player who had been in the restroom and had asked the Casino Staff Member to watch it for him. The rightful owner of the TITO cussed him out for trying to cash in his money. The guy said he got a temporary trespass for trying to cash in an "abandoned TITO," that wasn't abandoned at all."
A married couple BOTH walked away from their machine that had about $100. About 10 minutes later, the Wife says something like,"Honey, could you please give me the $100? I want to play another slot. The Husband said,"Holy crap, I was JUST about to ask YOU for the $100!" They BOTH realized that NONE of them had the $100. They rushed back to the machine and the $100 was GONE. They reported the missing $100 to a Casino Manager and the Manager checked the camera and responded,"A man cashed out the TITO, went to a TITO Kiosk and cashed it and then ran out the front door with the cash. The Husband and Wife were like,"Since this random guy cashed out OUR TITO and ran with the cash, we get reimbursed by the Casino, right?"
The Manager responded something like,"We don't reimburse abandoned money." The Husband and Wife were like,"So, the guy STOLE our TITO and you're not going to help us out? We're the VICTIMS. "The Manager once again pointed out that abandoned money does not get reimbursed. THe pointed out that the random guy most likely will be trespassed if he comes back again. The Husband and Wife were like,"That's all fine and dandy that he won't be able to steal OTHER TITOs in the FUTURE, but we need our stolen money reimbursed. Manager STILL refused to reimburse them the stolen money. Husband and Wife were VERY upset. ☢️
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
Quote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
He could have paid who he still owed, closed up shop and been free and clear. In any case, he would have been no worse off. Unless he never got caught.
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He could have paid who he still owed, closed up shop and been free and clear. In any case, he would have been no worse off. Unless he never got caught.
My assumption would be that after 20 years he assumed he would never get caught.
Quote: billryanQuote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
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I do not believe those are useful for slot play.
Most bill acceptors reject $2's and anything over $100.
Quote: rxwineBernie Madoff might have got away with the ponzi scheme if he had made the best bet possible with money he had available and won. You know, like the guys who make one enormous blackjack bet. Win or lose everything.
He could have paid who he still owed, closed up shop and been free and clear. In any case, he would have been no worse off. Unless he never got caught.
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Bernie's problem is that he got greedy. Contrary to what Gordon Gekko from Wal Street said,"Greed is NOT good. " Bernie could have ripped off ONE person and invest that person's money in a lucrative stock gamble that paid off and then pay off the person he ripped off with the profit and STILL have a nice, hefty chunk of change m and Bernie could have permanently stopped them then and there and Person would have had NO idea he was ever ripped off
Quote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
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I do not believe those are useful for slot play.
Most bill acceptors reject $2's and anything over $100.
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Most casino bill validators will accept $2 bills but the casinos turn that option off.
Quote: billryanIt's interesting to conjecture what might have happened if he hadn't been caught. He could have kept it going indefinitely and his clients could have kept getting double-figure returns.
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Probably would be the same end result of the scheme collapse.
Let's say Bernie never got discovered. He probably would have passed away for the same health reasons.
Then his son who knew nothing about the Ponzi discovers what was going on as he tried to take over the business.
I don't believe the son would have kept it going. Based on what we know about him.
I don't believe his sons were not involved, just as I don't believe the Sterlings weren't.
Quote: billryanThe Picower Institute was doing some amazing research into MS and several other diseases. It closed after the scandal broke. I'm not sure where the research ended up, but I read that the various researchers moved on to other jobs.
I don't believe his sons were not involved, just as I don't believe the Sterlings weren't.
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I understand the skepticism.
Mark Madoff is the one that turned him in. No charges were filed against him. He was clear of going to jail.
Nonetheless he committed suicide. Two years to the day of his father's arrest just in case anyone doubted that was the reason why.
i frequently watch a slot streamer on youtube... and he plays til he wins jackpots no matter how big or small ... and his video specifically was about winning a jackpot.
He arrived at a machine and saw that there was 10 cents and it crossed my mind that this might be a gray area... as in not many people will be able to say what would happen if the person who left their 10 cents would have came back to someone playing and winning a jackpot on the machine...
sorry that its only 10 cents and it isnt some crazy story that happened in real life but that happened in my mind
Quote: heatmapso the reason i asked this question...
i frequently watch a slot streamer on youtube... and he plays til he wins jackpots no matter how big or small ... and his video specifically was about winning a jackpot.
He arrived at a machine and saw that there was 10 cents and it crossed my mind that this might be a gray area... as in not many people will be able to say what would happen if the person who left their 10 cents would have came back to someone playing and winning a jackpot on the machine...
sorry that its only 10 cents and it isnt some crazy story that happened in real life but that happened in my mind
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If it was me and a small amount was left on the machine I would cash it out and set the ticket next to the slot machine.
Even more impressive is getting a ten-thousand dollar bill "back in change" since the last one was produced in 1934. And using five-hundred dollars bills is nearly as remarkable, as they haven't been printed since 1945, existed primarily to facilitate transactions between banks, and all financial institutions have been required to return them to the US Dept. of the Treasury for destruction for more than half a century.Quote: billryanQuote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
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Quote: DrawingDeadEven more impressive is getting a ten-thousand dollar bill "back in change" since the last one was produced in 1934. And using five-hundred dollars bills is nearly as remarkable, as they haven't been printed since 1945, existed primarily to facilitate transactions between banks, and all financial institutions have been required to return them to the US Dept. of the Treasury for destruction for more than half a century.Quote: billryanQuote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
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your interest piques my interest
Quote: DRichQuote: DieterQuote: billryanQuote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
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I do not believe those are useful for slot play.
Most bill acceptors reject $2's and anything over $100.
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Most casino bill validators will accept $2 bills but the casinos turn that option off.
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So.. they reject? ;)
Quote: DrawingDeadEven more impressive is getting a ten-thousand dollar bill "back in change" since the last one was produced in 1934. And using five-hundred dollars bills is nearly as remarkable, as they haven't been printed since 1945, existed primarily to facilitate transactions between banks, and all financial institutions have been required to return them to the US Dept. of the Treasury for destruction for more than half a century.Quote: billryanQuote: DieterThat's a really impressive wallet.
Most modern wallets have trouble with much more than $6000.
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I had a ten thousand dollar bill I carried for good luck ever since I got in back in change, and a bunch of $500 bills( for the penny slots)
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Over the years, I've had a dozen or so $500 bills and briefly owned a $1,000 bill but have only seen $10,000 notes in Binions before they changed the display.. I've heard many of the ones on display were counterfeit. I have a 100,000 mark from the Weimar Republic note for as long as I can remember. When I was ten, my Irish cousins moved to NY. They'd lived in Germany for a few years and knew the value of their current marks and didn't realize the note was worthless. They were convinced we were all millionaires; the note was my monthly allowance.
I doubt many $500 bills are sent out to be destroyed. The surviving ones are highly valued by collectors and even ragged ones bring a premium. Most banks allow tellers to replace any bills, as long as the cash works out, so they might be rescued and sold to a collector.
I have done this twice. The second time the guy had left by the time the casino pieced everything together. The security guy told me not to worry, check back in a few days. They knew who it was and felt there was a strong chance to recover. I went back the following week and, sure enough, they were able to make a successful recovery for me and held it in safekeeping.
On the other side of this, the casinos may assume the first time is a mistake, but I'd imagine they'd have a short leash for any future incidents.
You would see several machines in that bank with $20, $30, $40 and even $88 in left over credits that he would just freely abandon. If someone strolled up and cashed the ticket, he would glance over but hardly ever say anything.
The guy also would win several Hand Pay jackpots and just blatantly leave the W2-G forms with his name and personal info on the side of those machines and ended up racking up over $100,000 in Unpaid Taxes on Slot Winnings. Needless to say, he is No Longer welcome at that casino!
Quote: 7NeverWinsThere was a Whale at one of my regular casinos that would play tens of thousands every weekend on Slots. He would only play $1-$5 denoms & Up and if the minimum Bet was more than $25-$50, he would quite often leave the remaining credits in the machine and move on to another one in the same bank of machines.
You would see several machines in that bank with $20, $30, $40 and even $88 in left over credits that he would just freely abandon. If someone strolled up and cashed the ticket, he would glance over but hardly ever say anything.
The guy also would win several Hand Pay jackpots and just blatantly leave the W2-G forms with his name and personal info on the side of those machines and ended up racking up over $100,000 in Unpaid Taxes on Slot Winnings. Needless to say, he is No Longer welcome at that casino!
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“Needless to say…”??? Exactly why wouldn’t any casino want his business?
Saw a million dollar cash display with $1,000 bills on a TV show. It was 5 bundles of 200 bills stacked.
As for finding less than $1 on a slot machine, I usually cash it out myself, especially at the bubble craps machine when somebody just left it and it disrupts the game to leave those credits on. When I go to cash out a TITO, there's some flash that happens, so I believe the machine takes a picture of everyone who cashes out a TITO.
A couple times I've found more than $1, but I knew the people left with no intention of returning in the next half hour. I'd hold onto the TITO if I thought they might return and I'd give it back, but they always left it on purpose.
Quote: ChumpChangeI'd hold onto the TITO if I thought they might return and I'd give it back, but they always left it on purpose.
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So, now I wonder what happens if someone hangs onto a ticket, but doesn’t cash it. And if anyone approaches to confront them,
“I was going to turn it in before I left the casino.”
Maybe they were, or maybe they weren’t. Casino is probably not going to watch someone, especially if they hang around for quite awhile.
If they do confront the person an hour later out in the parking lot. Then it is:
“I was going to turn it in before I left the casino, but then I forgot about it.”
Oh, and the other excuse, “I wanted to play that machine, that’s why I cashed it out in the first place”,
Quote: rxwineQuote: ChumpChangeI'd hold onto the TITO if I thought they might return and I'd give it back, but they always left it on purpose.
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So, now I wonder what happens if someone hangs onto a ticket, but doesn’t cash it. And if anyone approaches to confront them,
“I was going to turn it in before I left the casino.”
Maybe they were, or maybe they weren’t. Casino is probably not going to watch someone, especially if they hang around for quite awhile.
If they do confront the person an hour later out in the parking lot. Then it is:
“I was going to turn it in before I left the casino, but then I forgot about it.”
Oh, and the other excuse, “I wanted to play that machine, that’s why I cashed it out in the first place”,
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I don't think that's how it would work
I know when I left cash in the machine I was asked which slot. Once they verified the money was taken out they then verified it had already been redeemed at the redemption.
I was told they could have voided the voucher before it was cashed.
So basically they wouldn't have bothered going after the guy. Just voided the ticket. Or perhaps gone after him and trespassed him just for trying.
Quote: darkozQuote: rxwineQuote: ChumpChangeI'd hold onto the TITO if I thought they might return and I'd give it back, but they always left it on purpose.
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So, now I wonder what happens if someone hangs onto a ticket, but doesn’t cash it. And if anyone approaches to confront them,
“I was going to turn it in before I left the casino.”
Maybe they were, or maybe they weren’t. Casino is probably not going to watch someone, especially if they hang around for quite awhile.
If they do confront the person an hour later out in the parking lot. Then it is:
“I was going to turn it in before I left the casino, but then I forgot about it.”
Oh, and the other excuse, “I wanted to play that machine, that’s why I cashed it out in the first place”,
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I don't think that's how it would work
I know when I left cash in the machine I was asked which slot. Once they verified the money was taken out they then verified it had already been redeemed at the redemption.
I was told they could have voided the voucher before it was cashed.
So basically they wouldn't have bothered going after the guy. Just voided the ticket. Or perhaps gone after him and trespassed him just for trying.
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I remembered that possibility later.