DarkOz effect: Reduced max freeplay given out

At one casino i'm at, I only do $20k/month coin-in and get a little more than $100 freeplay twice a week.
A couple of people i know there do $200k+/month and gets at least $400 twice a week plus sometimes $x freeplay on a random day of the week.

One is an AP but only uses his card.
Another is a retired ploppie who sees the games AP plays but takes them way too early if bored, especially high denom plays.
He uses cards of relatives. He does $200k/month on his own card alone.
He said he loses high 5 figures a year which isn't bad given his coin-in.

Well, starting a few weeks ago, their freeplay got cut to around $250 while their play remained the same.
They both say other high tier people they know also got their free play cut.
they are not happy.
My freeplay is still a little above $100.

Oh, and freeplay is no longer allowed in video poker, which also has e-BJ as an option.
I've seen a multi-carder who is usually converting freeplay using e-BJ.

But i wonder why start now?
That multi-carder who converts freeplay to e-BJ has been around for a few years.

Casinos change their offers and how they decide to hand them out periodically. Sometimes it's a reduction in offers but sometimes they give more

And you simply can't use other people's play as indicative of anything. They really don't understand how they are getting offers and you aren't aware of all their play. For example you don't know if they came and rushed one day doing only $100 coin in.

You said your own Freeplay doesn't seem to have changed. You haven't changed what you do I assume so there you go. Other people's play is unreliable.

As complimented as I am at calling this the Darkoz affect, I don't think it's suitable.

Btw - an AP who loses five figures a year? Doesn't sound like an AP to me

Quote: 100xOdds

At one casino i'm at, I only do $20k/month coin-in and get a little more than $100 freeplay twice a week.
A couple of people i know there do $200k+/month and gets at least $400 twice a week plus sometimes $x freeplay on a random day of the week.

One is an AP but only uses his card.
Another is a retired ploppie who sees the games AP plays but takes them way too early if bored, especially high denom plays.
He uses cards of relatives. He does $200k/month on his own card alone.
He said he loses high 5 figures a year which isn't bad given his coin-in.

Well, starting a few weeks ago, their freeplay got cut to around $250 while their play remained the same.
They both say other high tier people they know also got their free play cut.
they are not happy.
My freeplay is still a little above $100.

Oh, and freeplay is no longer allowed in video poker, which also has e-BJ as an option.
I've seen a multi-carder who is usually converting freeplay using e-BJ.

But i wonder why start now?
That multi-carder who converts freeplay to e-BJ has been around for a few years.
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What game do you have to put the coin in on? Regardless of what game, That's a terrible return. You should be getting back thousands for that kind of coin in, not hundreds.

Is that the only game in town?

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Quote: 100xOdds

At one casino i'm at, I only do $20k/month coin-in and get a little more than $100 freeplay twice a week.
A couple of people i know there do $200k+/month and gets at least $400 twice a week plus sometimes $x freeplay on a random day of the week.

One is an AP but only uses his card.
Another is a retired ploppie who sees the games AP plays but takes them way too early if bored, especially high denom plays.
He uses cards of relatives. He does $200k/month on his own card alone.
He said he loses high 5 figures a year which isn't bad given his coin-in.

Well, starting a few weeks ago, their freeplay got cut to around $250 while their play remained the same.
They both say other high tier people they know also got their free play cut.
they are not happy.
My freeplay is still a little above $100.

Oh, and freeplay is no longer allowed in video poker, which also has e-BJ as an option.
I've seen a multi-carder who is usually converting freeplay using e-BJ.

But i wonder why start now?
That multi-carder who converts freeplay to e-BJ has been around for a few years.
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What game do you have to put the coin in on? Regardless of what game, That's a terrible return. You should be getting back thousands for that kind of coin in, not hundreds.

Is that the only game in town?
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I assume your talking about the 200k not Odd's 20k?

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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: 100xOdds

At one casino i'm at, I only do $20k/month coin-in and get a little more than $100 freeplay twice a week.
A couple of people i know there do $200k+/month and gets at least $400 twice a week plus sometimes $x freeplay on a random day of the week.

One is an AP but only uses his card.
Another is a retired ploppie who sees the games AP plays but takes them way too early if bored, especially high denom plays.
He uses cards of relatives. He does $200k/month on his own card alone.
He said he loses high 5 figures a year which isn't bad given his coin-in.

Well, starting a few weeks ago, their freeplay got cut to around $250 while their play remained the same.
They both say other high tier people they know also got their free play cut.
they are not happy.
My freeplay is still a little above $100.

Oh, and freeplay is no longer allowed in video poker, which also has e-BJ as an option.
I've seen a multi-carder who is usually converting freeplay using e-BJ.

But i wonder why start now?
That multi-carder who converts freeplay to e-BJ has been around for a few years.
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What game do you have to put the coin in on? Regardless of what game, That's a terrible return. You should be getting back thousands for that kind of coin in, not hundreds.

Is that the only game in town?
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I assume your talking about the 200k not Odd's 20k?
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Both sound terrible.

Quote: darkoz

As complimented as I am at calling this the Darkoz affect, I don't think it's suitable.

Btw - an AP who loses five figures a year? Doesn't sound like an AP to me
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As title of my thread says, the max freeplay has been cut.
It seems the people at lower tiers have not been affected.

with VP also being excluded from freeplay at the same time lead me to believe someone in charge decided to do counter measures.
So you don't think it is?

and I said he's a PLOPPIE that's retired and see's what other APs play.
He doesn't have the patience to wait till it's +EV.
He also plays non- AP games.

The $200k/month AP is smart enough to not use his card without significant play because of exactly your reason, his comps will take a hit.

I can't imagine The $200k+/month degen not playing alot every time he's there.

Quote: AxelWolf

You should be getting back thousands for that kind of coin in, not hundreds.

Is that the only game in town?
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So 4figures freeplay twice a week for $200k/month coin-in?

yeah, my $100 freeplay twice a week is low.
For those weeks i couldn't make it, i sold my freeplay to the rich ploppie figuring his high coin-on would keep my offers up.
I was once away for a few weeks in a row.
sometimes he would forget whether he used my freeplay or not and stick my card in the machine to check.
If he didn't see freeplay, he didn't use it so $0 day for me. :(

That casino is not the only one near me but it has the highest avg rtp according to the state's monthly gaming report.

Quote: darkoz

Casinos change their offers and how they decide to hand them out periodically. Sometimes it's a reduction in offers but sometimes they give more

And you simply can't use other people's play as indicative of anything. They really don't understand how they are getting offers and you aren't aware of all their play. For example you don't know if they came and rushed one day doing only $100 coin in.

You said your own Freeplay doesn't seem to have changed. You haven't changed what you do I assume so there you go. Other people's play is unreliable.

As complimented as I am at calling this the Darkoz affect, I don't think it's suitable.

Btw - an AP who loses five figures a year? Doesn't sound like an AP to me
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Yep, one day I asked a VERY high roller to play on my Player's Club card because I wanted to win a free play promotion. He played on my Player's Club card and was playing $25 a spin. He earned me about 450 points($4,500 coin in) and I got about $45'in free play using his money. I received another $50 about a week later because of him earning me roughly 450 points. For a month, I had GOOD offers, like $20 in free play constantly . I had went back to my REAL playing, playing like $20 at the most, earning like 2 points a day. My free play offers dropped significantly and I questioned Player's Club Staff about my dropped offers when I was getting GOOD offers before. Player's Club Staff told me because I had only played REALLY good ONE day and then was only earning about 2 points a visit which dramatically smashed my free play offers. 💡

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Quote: darkoz

As complimented as I am at calling this the Darkoz affect, I don't think it's suitable.

Btw - an AP who loses five figures a year? Doesn't sound like an AP to me
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As title of my thread says, the max freeplay has been cut.
It seems the people at lower tiers have not been affected.

with VP also being excluded from freeplay at the same time lead me to believe someone in charge decided to do counter measures.
So you don't think it is?

and I said he's a PLOPPIE that's retired and see's what other APs play.
He doesn't have the patience to wait till it's +EV.
He also plays non- AP games.

The $200k/month AP is smart enough to not use his card without significant play because of exactly your reason, his comps will take a hit.

I can't imagine The $200k+/month degen not playing alot every time he's there.
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The VP issue could be a counter measure. But I have seen plenty of casinos that disallow Freeplay at VP and EBJ. More and more realize Freeplay is really profitable on those.

What I am saying is I wouldn't call it a Darkoz affect even if it was retaliation for using Freeplay on those machines.

But I am honored you thought of me.

As for that rich guy giving you zero days, don't they have kiosks to check your points and Freeplay offers? If not that casino you are at with low offers and no way to check your points without ruining your ADT just sucks

EDIT: I will pm you a question

Quote: darkoz

As for that rich guy giving you zero days, don't they have kiosks to check your points and Freeplay offers? If not that casino you are at with low offers and no way to check your points without ruining your ADT just sucks

EDIT: I will pm you a question
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I thought checking at the kiosk at the casino is the same as sticking it in the machine? It registers in the system?
ie: like using your card for a food comp but not playing

At caesars, freeplay is good for 24hrs after you redeem it on the kiosk.
and there was freeplay for both tues and weds.
so i redeemed it for tues at noon without play then went back weds at 11am to stack them.
then played on Weds.
My offers dropped almost in half next month.
I'm assuming using my card in the kiosk registers as a day.

I can check my acct online using the computer but no way am i giving him my password.

Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: darkoz

As for that rich guy giving you zero days, don't they have kiosks to check your points and Freeplay offers? If not that casino you are at with low offers and no way to check your points without ruining your ADT just sucks

EDIT: I will pm you a question
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I thought checking at the kiosk at the casino is the same as sticking it in the machine? It registers in the system?
ie: like using your card for a food comp but not playing

At caesars, freeplay is good for 24hrs after you redeem it on the kiosk.
and there was freeplay for both tues and weds.
so i redeemed it for tues at noon without play then went back weds at 11am to stack them.
then played on Weds.
My offers dropped almost in half next month.
I'm assuming using my card in the kiosk registers as a day.

I can check my acct online using the computer but no way am i giving him my password.
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Checking kiosks for points/offers does not trigger a day at any location I am aware of. In fact that's the whole point of the kiosks in general.

However ACTIVATING an offer (including something as minimalist as a parking validation) can often trigger a day.

So the kiosk question is sometimes confused by people due to that nuance.

The casino's business model focuses on generating profits from regular players. Advantage players (AP players) typically do not concern the casino management, as most of them maintain negative scores and only draw attention when they hit a significant payout like a royal flush, which happens rarely.

Periodically, the casino reviews player activities; if they notice that players only participate on promotion days, it raises red flags and attracts further scrutiny.

The mailer is the way to trap the players, they can look generous in the beginning. But the mailer isn’t always in proportional of your coin-in, your mailer may stay the same or get even lower if you play more and wish to get more.

A better choice is playing at more than 1 casinos. If you can coin-in $50K per month but you split it in half on 2 casinos, the total of the mailers is always more than what you get from the coin-in of the full $50K on just 1 casino. Give it a try.