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October 20th, 2023 at 7:21:19 AM permalink
Hi to all !

I need your help. Maybe someone has counted, or has a tool for calculating the optimal EV in video poker(jacks or better) but when the game is played on several hands at once (in parallel)?
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October 20th, 2023 at 7:56:32 AM permalink
I assume you are talking about a game when some number (for example, 3, 5, 10, 50, or 100) of hands are played at the same time where all of the dealt hands are the same.

Since every hand has an optimal play, use that play on every hand - it's that simple.

The EV for each individual hand is the same.
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October 20th, 2023 at 8:11:28 AM permalink
Video poker is very popular now. I like to play it myself. By playing several hands, you can apply different strategies and increase your chances of winning. However, I take into account and analyze the following points: increasing activity, strategic choice, bankroll management, risk and reward. Remember that video poker is a game of skill as well as chance.
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October 20th, 2023 at 8:36:30 AM permalink
No. I mean when the game is played from one deck, but on several hands at once
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October 20th, 2023 at 9:20:04 AM permalink
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No. I mean when the game is played from one deck, but on several hands at once
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Can you give an example?
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October 20th, 2023 at 9:21:48 AM permalink
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No. I mean when the game is played from one deck, but on several hands at once
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Can you give an example?
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What kind of example do you need?
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October 20th, 2023 at 10:17:52 AM permalink
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No. I mean when the game is played from one deck, but on several hands at once
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Can you give an example?
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What kind of example do you need?
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An example of a game that does that.

At a minimum, it would vary based on the number of hands you're drawing to. You bin two pair and snap the Aces off on DDB, for example, but the main reason you do that comes from the fact that you can potentially hit quads or quads + kicker. On a normal game, that could happen on any hand. However, pulling from one deck, it could only theoretically happen on one hand and ONLY one hand, because only one hand can get the other two aces. More than that, any hand getting one Ace, but not both, makes 4OaK impossible for all hands.

Another example along the same lines is breaking AAA off of a FH in DDB. That's normally a snap decision in DDB, but that's because you can get the quads/quads with kickers, on multiple hands. If everything is from the same deck, however, maybe you just keep the FH...as wild as that sounds. Still, you're going to get quads a maximum of once in ten hands and the other nine, at best, can hope for a different FH.

That one is probably easy enough to do as an exercise for proof of concept. First, we will look at the normal EV of breaking off those Aces:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/calculator/

12.716929 (800/50/400/160/160/80/50/9/6/4/3/1/1)

Okay, so the sort of short cut way to do that is to look at the 12.716929 for all ten hands compared to the guaranteed 9.000 of keeping the FH.

In our case, we only get that 12.716929 for one hand, at most, with the EV of all other hands, by definition, being lower than that.

If we look at a dealt hand of AAAAQ, we are going to get truly bizarre and throw away both the Queen (normal) but also one Ace for a close approximation. Our EV of the remaining hands is 3.382979, because we have made quads impossible, which we are doing when we make this AAA hold on 9/10 hands.

Again, this isn't exact...and I could figure it out...but I think this approximation proves concept enough.

If our EV for one of ten hands remains 12.716929 and our EV for all other hands is reduced to something like 3.4 call it...then we have:

((3.4 * 9) + (12.716929))/10 = 4.3316929

Which is to say a rough average EV of 4.33, per hand, which means we are far better off just to hold the Full House for the EV of 9.000 per hand.

So, I would say such a strategy could be figured out. I'd imagine Wizard could (relatively speaking) easily modify some program that he already has to do this. I would also say there'd need be a pragmatic reason to want to do that, which is to say, an actually extant game that behaves this way.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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October 20th, 2023 at 10:19:06 AM permalink
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Video poker is very popular now. I like to play it myself. By playing several hands, you can apply different strategies and increase your chances of winning. However, I take into account and analyze the following points: increasing activity, strategic choice, bankroll management, risk and reward. Remember that video poker is a game of skill as well as chance.
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Thank you. Do you know the capital of Canada? I don't. Toronto just HAS to be wrong, right?
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October 20th, 2023 at 11:29:44 AM permalink
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Video poker is very popular now. I like to play it myself. By playing several hands, you can apply different strategies and increase your chances of winning. However, I take into account and analyze the following points: increasing activity, strategic choice, bankroll management, risk and reward. Remember that video poker is a game of skill as well as chance.
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Thank you. Do you know the capital of Canada? I don't. Toronto just HAS to be wrong, right?
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The winter capital seems to be Tucson as we gear up for the annual return of the Snow Birds.
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October 20th, 2023 at 3:43:00 PM permalink
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No. I mean when the game is played from one deck, but on several hands at once
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Can you give an example?
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What kind of example do you need?
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An example of a game that does that.

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At the moment I don't know where this game is available. But this option is being considered in one casino in Minsk and Batumi.
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