mcallister3200
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:27:37 AM permalink
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Quote: rxwine

Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Under what moral principle do you believe you would be entitled to keep a voucher you found? If you sit down to eat in a diner and someone left their wallet behind, do you have a moral right to it? How about if they left an iPad?
A $100 bill?
I'm just curious why you believe you are entitled to something someone else lost?

I used to play a lot of VBJ at the Hard Rock a few years ago and had a favorite machine that just seemed to pay better than the others at the center bar. It was probably just my imagination but given a choice, it was my preferred machine.
I got there one afternoon and someone was on it. I played a different machine for a spell and then the person left.
As soon as they did, I cashed out my machine, went over and put the voucher in the now vacant machine. I play a few hands and only then did I notice something wrong. My voucher was for seventy dollars, give or take but I have $220 in credits. I'm thinking the machine is paying wrong when it dawns on me there must have been money left in the machine. I didn't know what to do. Had I seen the money was there before I started playing, I'd have alerted the bartender, but now my money was mingled with it. I cashed it all out and left. To this day it still bothers me.
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Completely different with the vastly different amounts there imo, the difference being likely intent of person leaving it behind.

When itís like 0.50 and itís on a machine that the minimum bet is larger than that, itís the equivalent of someone cashing it out and just leaving the slot ticket on the machine for the next patron or sometimes people give those sort of vouchers to someone currently playing to add into their machine. Leaving it there says they canít be bothered with the amount. They didnít specifically donate it to the casino either but the casino will take it.

If itís a machine I want to play with that sort of amount sitting in it unattended, I tend to cash it out and lay the ticket on the machine next to me in case they come back and complain, and also because Iím working with the assumption a casino may use any excuse they can to justify getting rid of me so itís dumb to give them a reason for 0.50. However, I think morally less than a dollar (likely intentional) and $100+ dollars (obviously a mistake) are entirely different incomparable situations.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:31:13 AM permalink
Iím sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything itís endless. The bottom line is as far as Iím concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you donít have a job basically you donít want to work.

Leave the tickets alone, IMO.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:32:01 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Morality is often painfully inflexible.
Tuppence or haypenny, it is not yours.



Practicalities are another matter. Maybe "they" choose 5 cents as their petty excuse to start a fuss, maybe 50 cents.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:32:45 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Iím sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything itís endless. The bottom line is as far as Iím concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you donít have a job basically you donít want to work.
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What on gods green earth does this have to do with the subject and why have you hijacked the thread multiple times to say it?
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:40:00 AM permalink
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Quote: Marcusclark66

Iím sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything itís endless. The bottom line is as far as Iím concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you donít have a job basically you donít want to work.
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What on gods green earth does this have to do with the subject and why have you hijacked the thread multiple times to say it?
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It provides some context for how hard people are willing to work for how little.

You can get a straight job for $19 an hour pretty easily, or you can wander around a casino hoping to find some dropped change... for perhaps 15 tickets an hour totalling $2.40.

Marcus, without doxxing yourself, what's a position in ES pay to clean the place up?
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 28th, 2021 at 7:43:23 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: rxwine

Let's ask, what's morally just in the case of usually less than .50 cents left on a machine? (often just a few cents)

I would argue, nothing just actually happens unless it returns directly to the person who leaves it behind.. Just because the state has decided what to do with abandoned funds only makes it legal not morally right.
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Under what moral principle do you believe you would be entitled to keep a voucher you found? If you sit down to eat in a diner and someone left their wallet behind, do you have a moral right to it? How about if they left an iPad?
A $100 bill?
I'm just curious why you believe you are entitled to something someone else lost?

I used to play a lot of VBJ at the Hard Rock a few years ago and had a favorite machine that just seemed to pay better than the others at the center bar. It was probably just my imagination but given a choice, it was my preferred machine.
I got there one afternoon and someone was on it. I played a different machine for a spell and then the person left.
As soon as they did, I cashed out my machine, went over and put the voucher in the now vacant machine. I play a few hands and only then did I notice something wrong. My voucher was for seventy dollars, give or take but I have $220 in credits. I'm thinking the machine is paying wrong when it dawns on me there must have been money left in the machine. I didn't know what to do. Had I seen the money was there before I started playing, I'd have alerted the bartender, but now my money was mingled with it. I cashed it all out and left. To this day it still bothers me.
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What I implied is, that anyone else taking it has no moral right to it including the state, the casino, or any other decision other than the person who left it. There's just a legal process that is eventually just distribute it to state funds.
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November 28th, 2021 at 8:53:48 AM permalink
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Quote: mcallister3200

Quote: Marcusclark66

Iím sorry guys, there are so many jobs available in so many different fields from $19-$30 an hour with signs posted everywhere from driving buses to working in restaurants, retail stores to factories to entry-level trainable driving type of commercial positions, everything itís endless. The bottom line is as far as Iím concerned and everyone I speak to, is if you donít have a job basically you donít want to work.
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What on gods green earth does this have to do with the subject and why have you hijacked the thread multiple times to say it?
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It provides some context for how hard people are willing to work for how little.

You can get a straight job for $19 an hour pretty easily, or you can wander around a casino hoping to find some dropped change... for perhaps 15 tickets an hour totalling $2.40.

Marcus, without doxxing yourself, what's a position in ES pay to clean the place up?
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I believe it is in the area of $17.00 to $19.00 an hour. But there are additions for such as snow plowing, grounds maintenance, special events and countless other things that add multiple increases and continuing bonuses. Also donít leave out the perks and benefits for all 40 hour weekly employees.
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November 28th, 2021 at 11:34:06 AM permalink
Yesterday BetMGM gave me 50 dollars to play with for free

I go to the slots because all bonuses like this are a scam and I want to blow it all away semi quickly but still waste some time

I have to play through 1000 dollars with that 50 free dollars before I can withdraw any profits

Well slots didnít take the money it just left me with the same amount but a small millimeter closer to spending a thousand dollars with only 50 to startÖ plus I was going like 20 cents a spin

Well on to the video poker (I love duces wild donít care the pay table tbh) I think I started at like 25 cents a pull

Well that didnít work to help me get rid of 50 dollars so I up the bet to a dollar

I hit 4 duces and won like 200 dollars - keep in mind this is still restricted money

Wel I spent all day clicking the buttons to try to use this 50 dollars

It must have been 8 hours that I spent the 50 dollars

The most disgusting part is that I almost got up to being able to say I almost completed the bonus - I got up to 900 dollars of play off of the 50 dollars in free play

And all for what? I did that for nothing because the bonus was never completed yet

I still have time to complete it but I wanted to do it off of the original 50 dollars they gave me and I failed
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November 28th, 2021 at 1:13:55 PM permalink
Seems that little +EV bonus is completely throwing you off your regular game.
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November 28th, 2021 at 3:14:10 PM permalink
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Seems that little +EV bonus is completely throwing you off your regular game.
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i know i normally just throw all the money on the table and close my eyes and what the hell am i doing being a nit???

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