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Wizard
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November 1st, 2021 at 5:53:44 AM permalink
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Sorry. I just unhid it.
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100xOdds
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November 1st, 2021 at 4:54:58 PM permalink
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Do you have the par sheet for this game or any of the other similar Asian themed games?

What i want to know is does bet size increase the likely hood of hitting the Major?
ie: $8.80 max bet vs .88 min bet

Also, does game denomination matter?
ie: $8.80 max bet at 1cent denom vs $8.80 min bet at 10cent denom to hit the Major
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Wizard
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November 1st, 2021 at 5:33:49 PM permalink
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Do you have the par sheet for this game or any of the other similar Asian themed games?



I'm afraid not.

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What i want to know is does bet size increase the likely hood of hitting the Major?
ie: $8.80 max bet vs .88 min bet



Yes, it does.

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Also, does game denomination matter?
ie: $8.80 max bet at 1cent denom vs $8.80 min bet at 10cent denom to hit the Major
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That's a good question. The rules tell us that the player must bet 88 credits to qualify for the major. However, a credit can be anything from $.01 to $.10 on most machines.

So, the player betting 88 credits of $0.01, or $0.88 in total would quality for the Major, but a player betting 18 credits at $0.10 a credit, or $1.80 would not. That may not sound fair. However, I'm sure it's balanced out by the player betting $1.80 getting into the bonus round much more often than $0.88. More than 2.0455 times as often. I am pretty sure it balances out in the end in terms of return.

It would be nice to see a par sheet to know exactly how they do it. Actually, a par sheet may not say.
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November 2nd, 2021 at 2:49:16 PM permalink
Not me:

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ChumpChange
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November 2nd, 2021 at 8:31:01 PM permalink
Well, yes! That's 1.65 million credits!
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November 2nd, 2021 at 11:36:24 PM permalink
I'm beginning to have doubts that there is EVER a +EV play with this game, and indeed any other progressive jackpot games that aren't must-hit-by. If there is, perhaps it would be necessary to focus on the Mini and Minor jackpots when they are BOTH unusually inflated and only bet high enough to be eligible for those two because let's face it: you're not getting the Grand jackpot. Even the Major jackpot is a stretch; my home casino has people playing 88 Fortunes pretty much at all hours and the Major will STILL go days without being hit. And the Major isn't even that much! Right now it's sitting at $950.00. If a bunch of people are collectively playing linked 88 Fortunes all day long and they still can't trip it, there's no way you're going to by yourself with less than $1,000.00 in losses. And I'm beginning to think that if such opportunity exists where the Mini and Minor jackpots are in +EV position, they would have to be so unusually inflated that it would be like a once in a month opportunity to make 10 bucks.
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ChumpChange
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November 3rd, 2021 at 2:12:59 AM permalink
So you could buy-in for $200, play 88 credits, lose more than $20 until you win back to your buy-in, lose $20+ again, win back to your buy-in, then cash out because the machine won't let you get back to even a third time.
McSweeney
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November 5th, 2021 at 1:56:03 PM permalink
Anybody have an idea of how many spins it takes, on average, for the bowl to close and for you to be awarded a jackpot? From this I could ascertain possible +EV situations based on size of jackpots (especially the 2 lowest value ones). I was thinking about watching people on YouTube play this game and count spins, but I think that would probably fall prey to selection bias. Perhaps I will use myself as a sacrificial lamb. I also wonder if it would vary from casino to casino depending on what they set the payout % to be.
ChumpChange
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November 5th, 2021 at 2:07:45 PM permalink
So $176 could buy you a 200 spin head start at $0.88 a spin. Most people overbet on the slots and barely have 50 spins to start with. Machines are cold and damn cold.
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November 5th, 2021 at 5:39:19 PM permalink
Yes I forgot that it would also vary based on the bet size. I would always max bet, personally (as I do with must-hit-by jackpots), just because I'm all about being efficient, so I would want the number of spins based on that.

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