darkoz
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September 3rd, 2020 at 6:42:52 PM permalink
DRich,

Looking into it is it correct that

1) it is a crime for a casino or it's employees to assist any patron with structuring?

2) because of attempts to circumvent CTR through structuring casinos are advised or required to keep track of cash transactions over $3000?

3) redemption machines don't allow more than $3000 to be redeemed at once?

That would seem to me that an argument can be made casinos are assisting patrons to structure in such a way that they the casinos are not legally bound to report.
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ChumpChange
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September 3rd, 2020 at 7:07:08 PM permalink
Yeah, so just bring $2500 to the cage three times during their casino day (6am - 6am, or whatever), then come back after 6 am if you've got more. Might wanna make 1 cage trip per shift.
DRich
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September 3rd, 2020 at 7:42:16 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Yeah, so just bring $2500 to the cage three times during their casino day (6am - 6am, or whatever), then come back after 6 am if you've got more. Might wanna make 1 cage trip per shift.



In theory the cages are supposed to keep track of a person cashing out large amounts even across shifts. In practicality it is very hard.
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DRich
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September 3rd, 2020 at 7:44:38 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

DRich,

Looking into it is it correct that

1) it is a crime for a casino or it's employees to assist any patron with structuring?

2) because of attempts to circumvent CTR through structuring casinos are advised or required to keep track of cash transactions over $3000?

3) redemption machines don't allow more than $3000 to be redeemed at once?

That would seem to me that an argument can be made casinos are assisting patrons to structure in such a way that they the casinos are not legally bound to report.



1) definitely if they are willfully helping you.

2) yes

3) most but it is not a rule

It has to be a willful attempt to help you avoid the CTR.
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itsmejeff
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September 10th, 2020 at 6:10:16 PM permalink
Old versions of Bally's "Diamonds and Devils" 3-reel slot did this.
https://youtu.be/iSb1eGt5ekk?t=247
When player got the bonus, the game awarded 30 credits, which were then deducted as next 10 spins at were played with bonus 3x pays. I think the newer versions of the game just award a normal bonus game with auto-play.
JoeTheDragon
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September 14th, 2020 at 8:49:49 AM permalink
Quote: itsmejeff

Old versions of Bally's "Diamonds and Devils" 3-reel slot did this.
https://youtu.be/iSb1eGt5ekk?t=247
When player got the bonus, the game awarded 30 credits, which were then deducted as next 10 spins at were played with bonus 3x pays. I think the newer versions of the game just award a normal bonus game with auto-play.


The IL bar slots work like that as well.

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