## Poll

 Thanks Wiz! Another play in my bag of tricks. 13 votes (46.42%) I am too proud to vulture. No votes (0%) Better plays out there. 3 votes (10.71%) Thanks, Wiz, for ruining yet another good play. 10 votes (35.71%) I disagree with your weighting factors (explain) No votes (0%) I disagree but won't explain. 3 votes (10.71%) I'm depressed. 7 votes (25%) The best calculator ever is the HP 15C! 1 vote (3.57%) I hope Santa brings me a penny farthing for Xmas. 2 votes (7.14%) G2E meetup Tuesday after the show. 2 votes (7.14%)

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Wizard
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October 15th, 2019 at 7:37:12 AM permalink
Quote: Katch

What's wrong with my math... 0.8018+0.0874+0.075+0.097= 1.0612?

I rounded my factors the wrong way in my original post, which seems to account for the disparity.

As to the question on betting levels, I'll have to look into that.
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Wizard
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October 29th, 2019 at 5:42:21 PM permalink
My Harley Davidson page is now up at WoO. I welcome all comments.
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rdw4potus
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October 29th, 2019 at 6:23:48 PM permalink
Wow, how did I miss this until now? This is my bread and butter play. Both because it's all that's really available here & because thats about all I could buy with my winnings.

Some places you can find 40/80/120/160/200 credit bet levels. More common is 80/160/240/320/400. Each bet has a different bank of free spins. To the extent that lower bet levels get more play, it's more common to find value at lower bets.

Axel is right that this is a hard game. It's not an in and out play like golden Egypt or ocean magic. Playing for these free spins is more like grinding out a must-hit progressive. It can take a long time and leave you significantly underwater despite the advantage you theoretically had.

One minor issue from the woo page - the wheel bonus's return is only constant in places with a fixed jackpot value. More commonly, the jackpot is variable and the wheel bonus's return fluctuates very slightly as the jackpot value changes.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
100xOdds
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October 30th, 2019 at 10:19:58 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I'm glad the wiz waited a while to post this, though I'd obviously prefer he never did.

I echo axles warning to err on the side of caution with this machine. It can be really nasty.

these harley slots are dying.
all of them have been removed from the casinos near me
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
100xOdds
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October 30th, 2019 at 10:22:13 AM permalink
Quote: Katch

Is that base the same on all cabinets or are there different settings available?

one type of cabinet has a fixed \$10k jackpot for the top prize.
another has a progressive top prize.

no clue how this affects the return #s in the Wiz's OP
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PokerGrinder
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October 30th, 2019 at 10:30:25 AM permalink
They took them out of my local casinos over 6 months ago.
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Rigondeaux
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October 30th, 2019 at 11:06:41 AM permalink
At some point before they started vanishing, they had already made some sort of adjustment to the payouts. They could still be +EV, I think. I don't know at exactly what point, but I wouldn't play unless I saw one that was really good.

So that's something to be aware of. If you are vulturing a machine and doing well, and then all of the sudden you start to run horribly, it might not just be variance.
PokerGrinder
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October 30th, 2019 at 11:22:46 AM permalink
I agree, I had adjusted my starting numbers drastically. I was only playing when mini was 55 or something like that.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
onenickelmiracle
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October 30th, 2019 at 11:38:49 AM permalink
Vultering is not a word.
I am a robot.
Wizard