Indy70
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September 23rd, 2020 at 5:22:07 AM permalink
Quote: playr4reel

I know this thread is over a year old but I thought I would chime in and give my two cents. PA slots are the same as WV slots where I live. They are Class III VLT's that are not centrally determined. The reason they are called VLT's is because the State Lottery Commission is in charge of gaming and slots. However, they are connected to a central server but only for accounting and financial reporting. I guess the question you have to ask yourself is how much you trust the "only for accounting and financial reporting". A few months ago I was playing a slot at Wheeling Island Casino and it was hitting pretty good when all of a sudden it went off line. A message came across the machine asking the technician to call Charleston, which is where the WV Gaming board is headquartered. The slot tech came over and apologized and said he had to call Charleston and have them reset the machine and it would be about 5 minutes. I moved on to another slot and didn't look back.....lol.



I'm probably wrong on this, but I thought WV at one time had a mix of class ll and class lll machines? And the class ll machines were of the bingo type, not set up to class lll standards.

I have seen the same message call Charleston. Makes you wonder huh?
Mission146
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September 23rd, 2020 at 5:46:39 AM permalink
Quote: heatmap

All of this is making sense thank you so much. So in PA we have been getting these things called "PA Skill" which claim to be skill slots, yet there is also some confusion on my part about why they call them VLTs sometimes?



I don't know who is calling them that, but if there's one entity that hates PA Skill Games, it's the Pennsylvania Lottery Commission.
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AxelWolf
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September 23rd, 2020 at 6:35:38 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wait!

You think I was claiming to know THE VERY NEXT SPIN a bonus was coming like the 9th spin of Scarab?

I never said diddly about being able to predict THE VERY NEXT SPIN

And when I say cycles it's definitely not to within EXACTLY TEN SPINS PER SCARAB.

Stop extrapolating things people are not saying. For example when I say I make $20,000 a week (going on twelve weeks now BTW) that I mean all 52 weeks of the year. If I made a million a year I would just say so.

Again, your extrapolation is what is making you unable to comprehend my claims.

Interestingly, you ignore what doesn't suit you. I said my bonus prediction is based on millions of spins at vlt's. You claim you can debunk that? You really are going to fly to NYC and play millions of spins to debunk something that doesn't best the house edge?

I am going to a bit of extrapolation on you now.

I make more money than you and you just can't bear the fact some guy with less than a decade of experience can do it.

Am I correct? Or did I extrapolate too much (see how that works)

I know youn never claimed you could predict the next spin, I was using that as an example of a game of how it would be possible, and to say something along those lines wouldn't count. Your probably "predicting" something with a low frequency and it seems as if your "prediction" came true since it's unlikely to go more than x amount of spins. Just name what machines and it can be confirmed or debunked with facts based on how the machines and system is designed. Perhaps they are designed in such a way where they are predictable via some hidden banking system, my main argument is... if that's the case, they are explotable. I supose if you're 50 spinns off on a 100 spin cycle it may not be explotable or if the bonus round pay out is super low and your off by a significant amount compared to that amount, however, that doesn't seem to be the case since it's valuable enough to enough for you to decide when to quit or keep going"

I had a senario at a well known online casino where I was certain "I knew when to play and when to quit" for approximately year on slots. I can't say exactly how many spins but I estmated in the neighborhood of a million. I wasn't predicting when the bonus round would come up but predictimating the amounts of the bonus and hot cycles. I never hit for more than 5k and never bet more than $5 ussully $1/$2 most of my good hits were under $500 however over that many spins I won a significant amount (no guessing like people oftentimes times do since the records show deposits and withdrawals IIRC I made few small deposit of less than $500) so its higly unlikely it was luck. I couldn't describe exactly how one could duplicate or why it was working, it was just something that I felt as I was playing. I have my theories that I won't get into, but im convicted it has something to do with internal banking and non randomness. Whatever the case, even if I was fooling myself something that went through my head frequently it didn't matter since I had an advantage via bonuses even if I was wrong but I shouldn't have made so much over my EV.

I certainly don't make a 20k a week most weeks like you praciccly claimed on another forum. I wouldn't trade more money to live in NYC and not have a license/car or own my own place. Whatever money I could make but don't make certainly wouldn't be because of lack or knowledge it would be lack of willingness and because I enjoy being lazy doing what I like doing IE spreading too much time at home.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 23rd, 2020 at 7:53:39 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I don't know who is calling them that, but if there's one entity that hates PA Skill Games, it's the Pennsylvania Lottery Commission.



thats the logo on some of them
darkoz
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September 23rd, 2020 at 7:58:16 AM permalink
I don't mind discussing it. Like I said it's not an AP situation.

Here it is.

Mostly any game with bonus rounds it works on primarily on NYS VLT. But the easiest ones to see it on are Stinkin Rich (with the Keys to Riches bonus) and especially Bullseye.

I'm not certain Bullseye is actual name. It comes in different flavors. Basically when you get three 🎯 they are placed top of screen and you get 12 free spins to accumulate more 🎯. You need one more to make the fifth reel wild for the remainder of your spins.

Accumulate four more 🎯 to make the fourth reel wild. Usually you just make the fourth or even third reel wild on the final worthless spin. (One time I did manage to get 2nd through 5th reels wild. Very rare)

I do a ten/twenty count.

AFTER A BONUS ROUND another one will hit within ten spins. Could be very next one or tenth spin so you can't simply adjust your wager to minimum and go back high on the tenth spin cause you could trigger the bonus at the minimum.

IF you fail to trigger another bonus but you see a few tease spins (2 🎯 but fail to get the 3rd) then good chance it will trigger by the twentieth spin (hence my ten/twenty count)

If after twenty spins no bonus triggers again then those machines could easily go for a thousand spins with no bonus round. I never sat there and added them up but I always button mash if I can and I have seen those machines take over an hour to trigger a bonus again.

However when they are in trigger cycle you can easily have bonuses seven or eight times close together and sometimes even more.

It's good for turning over Freeplay since the bonuses are where the turnover occurs (NY freeplay is disallowed on VP or VBJ at least at the places I am familiar with.)

Fact:. Bonus payout is different in other states.

For example I play at $10 a spin on Stinking Rich. In NYS the bonus pays very rarely above $600 (jackpot limit is $600 in NYS)

Meanwhile in PA, and NJ same bonus, same wager easily goes to $1000 and many times it goes over the $1200 jackpot.

Also, NYS is high side 92%. Weigh that with bonuses paying less to avoid W2G threshold and you see how bonus frequency may be affected to achieve the mandated return.

So if you want to come to NY to try it out go right ahead.
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Mission146
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September 23rd, 2020 at 9:22:07 AM permalink
Quote: heatmap

thats the logo on some of them



I believe it, but you’ll not have to Google long or hard to see the PA Lottery’s opinion of the games. They’re one of the few entities to call them outright illegal and lament what they perceive as revenues that might otherwise go to 49.9%-70% RTP Lottery tickets as being lost to them.

(I might have added the percentages part)
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September 23rd, 2020 at 10:01:49 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I believe it, but you’ll not have to Google long or hard to see the PA Lottery’s opinion of the games. They’re one of the few entities to call them outright illegal and lament what they perceive as revenues that might otherwise go to 49.9%-70% RTP Lottery tickets as being lost to them.

(I might have added the percentages part)





comes from this (apparently they are legal as of jan 24 according to this articles title... (title lol))

https://www.northcentralpa.com/news/pa-commonwealth-court-says-pace-o-matic-skill-games-are-legal/article_f79699de-3e10-11ea-b464-2f8c6043a2b6.html#:~:text=Games%20of%20skill%20give%20players,as%20games%20of%20predominant%20skill.
Mission146
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September 23rd, 2020 at 10:35:21 AM permalink
I agree that they are at least, "Not illegal," at this juncture. I'm just saying that they're definitely not through the Lottery Commission. The matter is made all the more confusing by the fact that different state representatives/agencies have all had different things to say on the matter.

I also know that (told to me on a different forum) one place was shut down and had its machines confiscated as being illegal gambling. Of course, they advertised themselves as a casino on the exterior signage...so play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I also don't know how many, if any, of the games were POM's.

I've written a few articles on this and am currently writing one about my experience being 86'ed from two different places for playing the, "Games of Skill," skillfully, so you might be interested in those. As you might have noticed anyway, many of the games in the state do not have the, "Prize Viewer," or "Next Puzzle," feature, so on some, there is no way to know the result of the spin ahead of time or to recover lost monies. They're basically slot machines with a negligible, "Skill," aspect.

Although, I guess I should mention that all such games legally qualify as Games of Skill in the State of Georgia.
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September 23rd, 2020 at 2:28:12 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz



If after twenty spins no bonus triggers again then those machines could easily go for a thousand spins with no bonus round. I never sat there and added them up but I always button mash if I can and I have seen those machines take over an hour to trigger a bonus again.

However when they are in trigger cycle you can easily have bonuses seven or eight times close together and sometimes even more.



Jeez!
stephencmarvin
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September 23rd, 2020 at 10:41:14 PM permalink
there are plenty of PA Skill machines which you can try your hand at! Pennsylvania also offers lottery which provides scratch off tickets as well as lotto drawings. You can pick this from many of the available convenience stores spread throughout the state. Additionally, you can also go for Pennsylvania-only lotto which has drawings including Pick-2,3,4 and 5; Cash 4,5 and Match 6. Bingo is approved in the state if it is undertaken by a charity. To that effect, there is a provision of nearly a dozen bingo halls in the state which are licensed.
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