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August 6th, 2019 at 12:59:34 PM permalink
Agreed, thanks!

I agree or am in no position to dispute anything BBB said except for the last sentence. The IRS should be able to give the casino the date and I would hope to all that is holy that the system has a sort by date function, so that wouldn't be too hard. Maybe a couple hours.
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August 6th, 2019 at 1:34:27 PM permalink
I hit a $3030 jackpot at the casino in Newport Rhode Island. It ended up I didn't have my wallet with me and what they did was have me sign the back of the ticket and then sign two blank sheets of paper.
When I came back with my license and ticket, they compared.the signatures and paid me.
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August 6th, 2019 at 1:39:51 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I hit a $3030 jackpot at the casino in Newport Rhode Island. It ended up I didn't have my wallet with me and what they did was have me sign the back of the ticket and then sign two blank sheets of paper.
When I came back with my license and ticket, they e signatures and paid me.



Hmm, does not sound safe to be honest...
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August 6th, 2019 at 1:59:03 PM permalink
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I'm also betting, if the IRS makes a stink about it to the casino, the only way the casino will find the error is a manual check of EVERY signed w2g in their files to find your social on someone else's paperwork. Which would be a total drudgework assignment for some poor soul. Yuck.



Most casinos file them by date so it might not be too bad.
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August 7th, 2019 at 4:13:01 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Agreed, thanks!

I agree or am in no position to dispute anything BBB said except for the last sentence. The IRS should be able to give the casino the date and I would hope to all that is holy that the system has a sort by date function, so that wouldn't be too hard. Maybe a couple hours.



Really good point. It seems extremely likely there is a date on each w2g that gets transferred to the efile.

Based on what the OP said (that they could find other w2g's of his, but not this one), sounds like they get filed primarily under the player's name. If they file chronologically (next sort criteria), you'd still have to check each player, but if they didn't have one for that date, you could move on to the next quickly. Still you'd have to leaf through each form per player until you got to that date to eliminate that player. I'm guessing a day or two.
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August 7th, 2019 at 5:10:57 AM permalink
I once sent a check to the IRS to pay the back taxes for a friend. I sent it with a letter explaining what I was doing and it said in the memo field of the check "for xxx-xx-xxxx," where the x's are his SSN.

Months later he gets another letter from the IRS demanding the same money with more interest and fees. The friend gets angry at me for allegedly not paying his taxes. So I filed a dispute with the IRS on his behalf. It was heard by an independent government agency, which was very attentive and fair. However, ultimately the burden was on me to prove my case, which I did by getting a copy of the check. The remark in the memo field won the case for me.

I say that because if you officially dispute the IRS demand, it will delay the situation for months. However, in the end I think you'll still have to prove you are innocent, as opposed to them proving guilt.
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August 7th, 2019 at 5:16:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I once sent a check to the IRS to pay the back taxes for a friend. I sent it with a letter explaining what I was doing and it said in the memo field of the check "for xxx-xx-xxxx," where the x's are his SSN.

Months later he gets another letter from the IRS demanding the same money with more interest and fees. The friend gets angry at me for allegedly not paying his taxes. So I filed a dispute with the IRS on his behalf. It was heard by an independent government agency, which was very attentive and fair. However, ultimately the burden was on me to prove my case, which I did by getting a copy of the check. The remark in the memo field won the case for me.

I say that because if you officially dispute the IRS demand, it will delay the situation for months. However, in the end I think you'll still have to prove you are innocent, as opposed to them proving guilt.



I remember hearing this years ago, that in IRS "court" the burden of proof is on you, not the IRS!

Kind of makes sense.... "I made 1000 charitable donations of $20 each. I have no records. Prove that I didn't!"
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August 7th, 2019 at 5:18:58 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard


I say that because if you officially dispute the IRS demand, it will delay the situation for months. However, in the end I think you'll still have to prove you are innocent, as opposed to them proving guilt.



He did mention travel that would put him outside of the area on the day in question.

Failing that, how would he even be able to prove a negative? It sounds like casinos would then have the ability to attribute W2-G's to whomever they want to, since the person has to prove that the casino messed up. Absent his good fortune of being out of town that day, I don't see any way that he could conclusively prove that he did not hit that jackpot if the fact that neither the casino nor the IRS can produce a signed W2-G isn't enough.

Why even have W2-G forms for the player to sign if it doesn't matter?
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August 7th, 2019 at 5:19:47 AM permalink
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This can't possibly be true. Two pieces of ID are needed... so even if you say they used the player's card, a second one would be needed and the discrepancy in names would be noted.


I agree with you, indeed two pieces of ID need to be used. It's strange that it worked out for that person..
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August 7th, 2019 at 8:10:26 AM permalink
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Failing that, how would he even be able to prove a negative?



He could ask the casino for a copy of the W-2. I think this was brought up before in this thread and they said they couldn't find it. That said, I don't think things look good for the OP. Filing a protest would at least delay things, if he wants to.
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