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June 16th, 2019 at 8:17:24 PM permalink
Par sheets these days are not very useful. I don't want to say too much, buy they withhold some details that are essential to quantifying the return. Often some feature will happen "randomly," but they don't say the probability. I suspect that the slot makers must have real par sheets they keep internally and tease casinos with the incomplete ones.
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June 16th, 2019 at 8:25:58 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Par sheets these days are not very useful. I don't want to say too much, buy they withhold some details that are essential to quantifying the return. Often some feature will happen "randomly," but they don't say the probability. I suspect that the slot makers must have real par sheets they keep internally and tease casinos with the incomplete ones.



the sub-folder or directory of the website i found them on was titled "media" and for some of the documents you needed to log-in and i would say what you are saying is completely possible that these were sub-par.... on purpose if they are actually incomplete, which each one of them is about 5 pages long on average so im not sure
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June 16th, 2019 at 8:29:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Par sheets these days are not very useful. I don't want to say too much, buy they withhold some details that are essential to quantifying the return. Often some feature will happen "randomly," but they don't say the probability. I suspect that the slot makers must have real par sheets they keep internally and tease casinos with the incomplete ones.



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June 16th, 2019 at 8:38:53 PM permalink
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I took a look. Most, if not all of them didn't have a name attached to the game or anything I could see that would allow you to match them up. Obviously it would be nice to get an over all look at what percentages they offer.

I'm not sure if I was reading one of the par sheets correctly. It lead me to believe that there was a confidence of 95% that within 1k spins you wouldn't go above 96%. I was thinking to myself, WOW, that's not very many spins to know theres a 95% chance you will be a 4% loser.



I think i saw that on one that had nearly a 20% hold. Yikes.
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June 16th, 2019 at 10:19:33 PM permalink
There are multiple par sheets for each game. They give you hold options. That one could have been 20%, while the others might be 14.5, 11.6 and 9.9 or something like that.


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June 16th, 2019 at 11:19:15 PM permalink
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There are multiple par sheets for each game. They give you hold options. That one could have been 20%, while the others might be 14.5, 11.6 and 9.9 or something like that.


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IIRC it was a 15.8% hold, most of the ones I looked at seemed be in the teens.

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June 17th, 2019 at 12:13:51 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

IIRC it was a 15.8% hold, most of the ones I looked at seemed be in the teens.

IGT and casinos are raping their players without any lube. I guess when you look to create legalized crack and succeed you can do whatever you want.



I never used anything near the top unless it was a movie/tv/celebrity themed game. Those you have to pay more for. But, still never the worst odds offered.


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June 17th, 2019 at 6:20:30 AM permalink
As one that works in the industry, it is becoming very common for the casinos to choose the 85%-87% paytables.
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June 17th, 2019 at 7:02:02 AM permalink
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As one that works in the industry, it is becoming very common for the casinos to choose the 85%-87% paytables.


It's amazing they still have regular customers. I wonder for how long that will last. With the speed of today's games people get blown out in minutes instead of a couple hours. At some point there is no entertainment value left, I'd imagine.
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June 17th, 2019 at 7:26:45 AM permalink
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It's amazing they still have regular customers. I wonder for how long that will last. With the speed of today's games people get blown out in minutes instead of a couple hours. At some point there is no entertainment value left, I'd imagine.



I would assume many of the regular customers left are addicted degenerates. Itís the only way to explain how packed the casinos in states like PA are. They are not there as part of a vacation, itís a daily or weekly need that has to be fed, and payback isnít a concern to them.

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