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onenickelmiracle
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April 24th, 2017 at 7:26:16 PM permalink
It's obvious society in general is better off with a higher return, while the casino is better off with free play to manipulate. People are less likely by far to win big early and leave when they're hooked on free play, or lose fast with little play fort that matter. Even with raised returns, slotwise there will still be a sharp difference on any machines they feel threatened, so what's the point.
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April 24th, 2017 at 8:01:27 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

It's obvious society in general is better off with a higher return, while the casino is better off with free play to manipulate. People are less likely by far to win big early and leave when they're hooked on free play, or lose fast with little play fort that matter. Even with raised returns, slotwise there will still be a sharp difference on any machines they feel threatened, so what's the point.



That is crazy talk. If we all only played free play how would we be worse off?
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onenickelmiracle
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April 24th, 2017 at 8:48:14 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

That is crazy talk. If we all only played free play how would we be worse off?

Why dont you just answer your own question the way you think I would reply? Personally I think you know better and are trying to trick me into wasting my time with a 100 word response. I refuse.
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April 24th, 2017 at 9:18:19 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Why dont you just answer your own question the way you think I would reply? Personally I think you know better and are trying to trick me into wasting my time with a 100 word response. I refuse.



I think claiming that free play makes the general populace more likely to empty their wallets unwillingly is a little dubious. In my opinion the average gambler is a stop win, stop loss, or stop play, player so free play isn't going to change that. Of course free play ultimately hurts people susceptible to problem gambling, but I mean so does anything gambling related.

I also don't really think the concept of higher return is that useful in and of itself. The wages per hour, min wage, and variance of the game are all extremely important.
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May 19th, 2018 at 2:43:11 PM permalink
A lot of freeplay. You are not playing to beat the casino, you cannot ever beat a casino. You are playing to beat their marketing department and the casino is simply your tool for doing so. If freeplay is high enough you can beat a casino playing the worst game imaginable...even square slot players will have an edge.
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November 6th, 2019 at 3:49:26 PM permalink
Quote: mamat

I might have answered differently two years ago.

Looser payouts (with lots of beatable bonus games) preferred (over more free play...even $5K-8K/month).



People actually get $5K a month freeplay? How much do they have to play to get that?
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November 6th, 2019 at 10:29:41 PM permalink
If the machines are paying 86% to 93%, I'd say they aren't worth playing and I'd stick to the tables.
michael99000
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November 6th, 2019 at 10:53:31 PM permalink
I almost forgot, the early Nathan era actually produced a few decent threads.
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November 6th, 2019 at 11:10:04 PM permalink
Quote: garyt1957

People actually get $5K a month freeplay?

Well, they claim to. I think they also get free rooms, free meals, free women, free airfare and free ice in their drinks.
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November 6th, 2019 at 11:21:21 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Well, they claim to. I think they also get free rooms, free meals, free women, free airfare and free ice in their drinks.

I have never been offered free women, perhaps you have to ask.
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