Slot times

This may be a dumb question. I understand that slots are pre-programmed and changing the payouts isn't something that can be done with a click of a button. However i wondered if it is possible for the casino to pre-programme different levels of payout dependent on the time of day (perhaps even week). The reason i ask is because on a recent trip i would enjoy putting $10 in a slot with my coffee in the morning as i decided what i would do with my day, and i always seemed to do much better in the morning than i would later on at night. On one day i ended up with $140 from $10 going from machine to machine and seeming to win something on every one of them. I'm prepared to accept it was just short term coincidence, but the pattern was pretty consistent over the 6 days i was there.
Thanks all

That's still an extremely limited sample size, and while you went from $10 to $140 the one day, I'd be interested in knowing what your wins were the other five days on $10 put into the machine.

I'd also be interested in what sort of machines you were playing and what your bet levels were. Different slot machines have differing levels of volatility and some machines tend to have high-paying bonus games (or hits) predominantly while others just have very consistent small pays. In other words, there are some slot machines, say $1.50/spin, where I wouldn't even bat an eye at a $50-$200 win on Free Games (but you make up for it with a ton of losing in-between) and other machines where that would seem a less likely result.

Also, they can change the pays on the machines, but most jurisdictions require the machine goes x amount of time without being played before it can be changed.

Finally, while I doubt if they adjusted the return percentage based on the time of day, even a percentage point or two isn't going to be reflected to a great extent in such a limited sample.

May I also ask what country or State this was?

Quote: Mission146

That's still an extremely limited sample size, and while you went from $10 to $140 the one day, I'd be interested in knowing what your wins were the other five days on $10 put into the machine.

I'd also be interested in what sort of machines you were playing and what your bet levels were. Different slot machines have differing levels of volatility and some machines tend to have high-paying bonus games (or hits) predominantly while others just have very consistent small pays. In other words, there are some slot machines, say $1.50/spin, where I wouldn't even bat an eye at a $50-$200 win on Free Games (but you make up for it with a ton of losing in-between) and other machines where that would seem a less likely result.

Also, they can change the pays on the machines, but most jurisdictions require the machine goes x amount of time without being played before it can be changed.

Finally, while I doubt if they adjusted the return percentage based on the time of day, even a percentage point or two isn't going to be reflected to a great extent in such a limited sample.

May I also ask what country or State this was?

The probably brought a cooler in to sit near him, they can't afford to lose a few hundred to the morning coffee drinkers. They are more dangerous than a black chip speed counter or a roulette system bettor.

Thanks for your reply. It was in Vegas at NYNY. Clearly the $140 day was a one off but over all the AM sessions i came out on top quite comfortably whilst i was down on PM sessions so i just wondered if it might be a possibility that payouts would vary at different times. As for my betting level, I am pretty low roller - 40 cents - 50 cents. I mostly played spinning streak slots both AM and PM with a few bucks thrown into some of the more elaborate games too. I guess it must just be a short term result in my favour and I was down on PM sessions just because i was playing longer?
Thanks again

One reason I can think of why the casino wouldn't do it is, it would have to go through the bother of setting up each machine - not just when to change the probabilities, but of the clocks themselves. It's possible to have slots get their date and time information from WWVB (the atomic clock signal in Boulder used in "auto-set" clocks), but then you run the risk of somebody with a low-level portable 60 kHz transmitter overriding the information (the time signal format is public information).

It's certainly somehow possible, but your sample size seems way too small to constitute any form of evidence for this practice occurring. Furthermore even if they did that, I don't see why they'd ever rig the slot in favour of the player - surely it would be safer for it to oscillate between tiny house edge and big house edge.

Just low roll and don't care. Play one line, max the bet multiplier and sip away. Your tens will last longer and still have a chance for twenty and hundred dollar hits and beyond.

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Thanks for your reply. It was in Vegas at NYNY. Clearly the $140 day was a one off but over all the AM sessions i came out on top quite comfortably whilst i was down on PM sessions so i just wondered if it might be a possibility that payouts would vary at different times. As for my betting level, I am pretty low roller - 40 cents - 50 cents. I mostly played spinning streak slots both AM and PM with a few bucks thrown into some of the more elaborate games too. I guess it must just be a short term result in my favour and I was down on PM sessions just because i was playing longer?
Thanks again

Spinning Streak, like, "Reel Rich Devil," and machines like that? No Progressive on any of those I've ever seen, so no way to AP them. I've seen them get a fair deal of play, they seem like very volatile machines with a very significant portion of the return coming from the Bonus Games.

Unless the casino immediately rigs the machines so Tea Drinkers also benefit, I'm going to notify the Tong. And if they don't rig the machine for alcohol drinkers in the evening, I'm calling the Teamster's Union to block all deliveries to the casino.

On a similar note…

Any speculation on how the Russians could cheat an Aristocrat Mark VI slot machine and profit by it?
What happened to RNG?


My guess is they played at a minimum level and recorded outcomes and then relayed the result to the folks at home for analysis. At any rate it make one think that there may be some credibility in RNG not being so R. HMMMMM

First I am hearing about this. The details would be interesting. For informational purposes only, naturally.

Quote: BobVB

On a similar note…

Any speculation on how the Russians could cheat an Aristocrat Mark VI slot machine and profit by it?
What happened to RNG?

http://www.fbi.gov/stlouis/press-releases/2014/four-russian-nationals-indicted-on-fraud-charges

My guess is they played at a minimum level and recorded outcomes and then relayed the result to the folks at home for analysis. At any rate it make one think that there may be some credibility in RNG not being so R. HMMMMM

More details are needed. I know it's illegal to use electronic devices in that manner. But that leave a question to what your phone can be uaed for in a casino. IE. If I call my friend and ask him to look up a strategy hold for me.

Lets say I use my phone to count the number of hands Im playing.

What if I use my phones calculator to do the math on a.must hit by machine. The I realize it's a good play and play it? Can they say I uses a electronic device to calulate odds.?

I hear some country's don't have a law that forbids devices that don't alter anything, to be used.

If they have them same slots, I assume there's some scrambling going on.

Quote: BobVB

On a similar note…

Any speculation on how the Russians could cheat an Aristocrat Mark VI slot machine and profit by it?
What happened to RNG?

http://www.fbi.gov/stlouis/press-releases/2014/four-russian-nationals-indicted-on-fraud-charges

My guess is they played at a minimum level and recorded outcomes and then relayed the result to the folks at home for analysis. At any rate it make one think that there may be some credibility in RNG not being so R. HMMMMM

They were using some kind of device.

All of the people involved had a bag under their leg and kept their right hand in their pocket while playing the machine with their left hand.

Quote: sc15

They were using some kind of device.

All of the people involved had a bag under their leg and kept their right hand in their pocket while playing the machine with their left hand.

Did the device change nthe outcome orndid it just predict when and what to bet?

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Did the device change nthe outcome orndid it just predict when and what to bet?

I have no idea.

That's all the info that was given to me about the subject.

Quote: Mission146

Spinning Streak, like, "Reel Rich Devil," and machines like that? No Progressive on any of those I've ever seen, so no way to AP them. I've seen them get a fair deal of play, they seem like very volatile machines with a very significant portion of the return coming from the Bonus Games.

There's a variant called "Spinning Streak Progressive" where a certain number of streaks in a row will win one of 4 progressive levels.

Cool, I might look for that next time I'm out there, maybe watch someone play for a few.