onenickelmiracle
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February 19th, 2014 at 5:00:57 PM permalink
Quote: Puckerbutt

In the above instance - I was the buyer.

Details below:


$180.00 - amount paid to other player.
$360.00 - additional amount put into machine
$575.xx - final value of ticket (Major hit at 498.56)
$35.xx profit

You overpaid. If those people are selling, they probably have no money and little value if they can't hit it themselves. You should have countered with a 50/50 split if it hits on $50, maybe a little more. If they wind up taking your $180 and putting it in the machine what the hell would you have been able to do. Funny those people won more than you very possibly.
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onenickelmiracle
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February 19th, 2014 at 5:06:57 PM permalink
I've never been able to look at these deals as not soliciting or begging when done with strangers. Someone ruthless might have those people kicked out and getting the machine free. I can't get over how to get around those problems so would never solicit. If I found myself there, I'd just kick myself and make sure I was prepared for those opps.
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rdw4potus
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February 19th, 2014 at 6:10:29 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Just saw that for the first time yesterday. Interesting game. Didn't realize progress was saved when you quit.



It sure is saved. But that's not too apparent from the interface (at a glance, it's hard to tell how far into the map the game is). It's sort of a boring game, and not many people play for any period of time. So, my short experience with the game is that there's a lot of opportunity there.
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Puckerbutt
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February 19th, 2014 at 6:58:23 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

You overpaid. If those people are selling, they probably have no money and little value if they can't hit it themselves. You should have countered with a 50/50 split if it hits on $50, maybe a little more. If they wind up taking your $180 and putting it in the machine what the hell would you have been able to do. Funny those people won more than you very possibly.


From the final result - it looks like it was a pretty fair price for both parties, but my motivation to get the deal done wasn't entirely confined to the profit/loss of this singular event. I wanted to foster a relationship that might facilitate future possibilities.

He approached me with the proposal and I was quite comfortable with the risk vs. potential return ratio. I considered that he may have been low on money, but I wanted the machine to be relinquished to me and not someone else. Plus - I wasn't going to embarrass the guy by asking him to turn his pockets inside-out.

By the way - my strategy has since paid additional dividends.
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AxelWolf
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February 20th, 2014 at 3:58:05 AM permalink
Quote: Puckerbutt

From the final result - it looks like it was a pretty fair price for both parties, but my motivation to get the deal done wasn't entirely confined to the profit/loss of this singular event. I wanted to foster a relationship that might facilitate future possibilities.

He approached me with the proposal and I was quite comfortable with the risk vs. potential return ratio. I considered that he may have been low on money, but I wanted the machine to be relinquished to me and not someone else. Plus - I wasn't going to embarrass the guy by asking him to turn his pockets inside-out.

By the way - my strategy has since paid additional dividends.

Paying $180 for that? I'm not sure what the meter rate is, however I would have someone do the math. that seems high even if its still a win. Its surprising you are finding must hits left behind that high often.

I have paid people for machines/time on machines often. I have sold them as well.

I have also bought 1 card VP RF draws from people. The first one I bought was at LVC the guy had a .50 Joker wild flush dealt with 4 to the natural royal. He held all 5 cards while looking at it. I said you shouldn't do that. He said, he just wanted the money from the flush. I offered him the cash for the flush and his few credits.

I sat down and drew the hand. I only got a flush right back.

I sold my share on a $5 VP progressive for for thousands.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Puckerbutt
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February 20th, 2014 at 9:01:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Paying $180 for that? I'm not sure what the meter rate is, however I would have someone do the math. that seems high even if its still a win. Its surprising you are finding must hits left behind that high often.



A little background - I'm primarily a poker player. As such, I've always preached the gospel against slot machines until June of last year when a lady I know called and asked if I could bring her $500 for a slot machine she was playing. I obliged and drove the 30 minutes to this particular casino to find her sitting in front of a "must hit by $500" machine. She had worked the major progressive up to about $496. The seeds for my slot experimentation were planted that day.

Initially, it started solely for the purpose of increasing my profile with the various local casinos. Poker players aren't highly valued and are comped likewise. It has worked beautifully and I'm now sent a continuous stream of mailings with free hotel rooms, buffets, etc.

Back to the present. I have observed this player before and when he offered - I wanted to make sure our first deal was consummated because if I screwed up the first offer - he may never feel comfortable enough to offer again. As I mentioned before, I wanted an ongoing relationship. He is part of a larger group of guys (all of Mexican descent) that start playing the must-hit-by machines too early and I want them to think of me as a "closer" if need be.

Yesterday morning I got a call at 5:30 am on a Treasures of Machu Picchu machine at $37.10 - $490.17. Price $20. (Different player than person mentioned above.) I was at the casino in 20 minutes.
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onenickelmiracle
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February 20th, 2014 at 4:49:46 PM permalink
I've never seen machines in the $490 range and usually the tops I have seen are in the $460 range. I don't go where they exist too often though. I'm not entirely convinced the pots aren't tied to the payback settings.
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AxelWolf
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February 21st, 2014 at 4:09:14 AM permalink
Quote: Puckerbutt

A little background - I'm primarily a poker player. As such, I've always preached the gospel against slot machines until June of last year when a lady I know called and asked if I could bring her $500 for a slot machine she was playing. I obliged and drove the 30 minutes to this particular casino to find her sitting in front of a "must hit by $500" machine. She had worked the major progressive up to about $496. The seeds for my slot experimentation were planted that day.

Initially, it started solely for the purpose of increasing my profile with the various local casinos. Poker players aren't highly valued and are comped likewise. It has worked beautifully and I'm now sent a continuous stream of mailings with free hotel rooms, buffets, etc.

Back to the present. I have observed this player before and when he offered - I wanted to make sure our first deal was consummated because if I screwed up the first offer - he may never feel comfortable enough to offer again. As I mentioned before, I wanted an ongoing relationship. He is part of a larger group of guys (all of Mexican descent) that start playing the must-hit-by machines too early and I want them to think of me as a "closer" if need be.

Yesterday morning I got a call at 5:30 am on a Treasures of Machu Picchu machine at $37.10 - $490.17. Price $20. (Different player than person mentioned above.) I was at the casino in 20 minutes.

$20 sounds like a better price then $180 However, You need to know what the meter movement is on the machines you are playing.

I don't keep up on the exact numbers because I don't play the new must hits often, because I never see them at playable numbers, hustlers often jump on them at losing numbers because they look juicy. They might win over all because they find real good ones mixed in with bad ones. Then they tighten up after some experience. A new guy comes along and its the same story. I guess if you spend the entire day looking for them it could be profitable, especially if people are calling you and camping out on them till you arrive.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
tringlomane
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February 21st, 2014 at 8:02:38 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

I've never seen machines in the $490 range and usually the tops I have seen are in the $460 range



When I do pay attention to these things, that's about the best I've seen too. And considering some of the math mission has done, it looks like it needs to be roughly $490 to be positive anyway.
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February 21st, 2014 at 11:00:17 AM permalink
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