tringlomane
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January 12th, 2014 at 6:15:19 PM permalink
Considering some of your other posts, is this freeplay is in Maryland?

Video Poker IS Class III there, they just call them VLTs because it's managed by the lottery. I would play that with your freeplay if you have to choose only between slots and video poker (and not electronic table games). Of course, I am biased toward video poker...lol

Paytables are bad unless you play $25/hand though. But I have heard that either 6/5 Bonus (96.87% max) and 8/5 JoB (97.30% max) exist at lower denominations.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/maryland-live-casino/comments
AxiomOfChoice
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January 12th, 2014 at 7:08:36 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

got the idea from Missions post about w2g or bust. (see above)

but you're right. $1000 > $1200 minus taxes

so which type of slot will get me close to turning the $1000 freeplay into $1000 cash?
or it doesn't matter? just pick the higher demoninations because they're suppose to have higher payback?



Higher payback is obviously good. Depending on how important the $1000 is to you, you also need to consider variance though.

You could play $1000 in one spin on a slot machine, and this might have the highest EV, but also you obviously have a good chance of getting nothing for it. This might be the right answer, or it might not be, depending on how much money you have.
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January 12th, 2014 at 8:38:18 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

got the idea from Missions post about w2g or bust. (see above)

but you're right. $1000 > $1200 minus taxes

so which type of slot will get me close to turning the $1000 freeplay into $1000 cash?
or it doesn't matter? just pick the higher demoninations because they're suppose to have higher payback?



If this is what you're going for, go for VP. Even if it is type II, it's not going to be worse than the slots. 6/5 Bonus is probably your best bet, it sounds like, although see what you can find.

If you're absolutely opposed to VP, as you seem to be, then my advice to "turn it into cash" is the opposite of my advice from before: go ahead and play a five-reel, multi-line slot, at the lowest denomination that won't get tedious. $15 on a $1 QHP machine seems perfect to that end. You're unlikely to hit big no matter what you do, so your goal should be to rack up enough modest wins that you walk away with a fair fraction of what you started with.

In either case, the lower the denomination, the more likely you are to walk away relatively close to the EV (which is almost certainly higher for VP, even type II VP). The EV will be lower for lower denominations in the case of slots, but not by too much.
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100xOdds
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January 14th, 2014 at 4:57:29 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Considering some of your other posts, is this freeplay is in Maryland?

Video Poker IS Class III there, they just call them VLTs because it's managed by the lottery. I would play that with your freeplay if you have to choose only between slots and video poker (and not electronic table games). Of course, I am biased toward video poker...lol

Paytables are bad unless you play $25/hand though. But I have heard that either 6/5 Bonus (96.87% max) and 8/5 JoB (97.30% max) exist at lower denominations.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/maryland-live-casino/comments



oh wow! thx!

is there a strategy sheet for 8/5 JoB?

how much EV would I lose if I used the 9/6 strategy detailed in WoO page? http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/


edit:
these 8/5 JoB strategies look Correct?
1) http://www.thegamblersedge.com/vpoker/vpokerstrat85JoB.htm
2) http://www.americancasinoguide.com/vp/vp-strategy-8-5.pdf
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AxelWolf
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January 14th, 2014 at 5:02:39 PM permalink
Very little if its only 1k in free play. Its a few small changes mostly dealing with hands where a flush is possible.
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tringlomane
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January 14th, 2014 at 5:25:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Very little if its only 1k in free play. Its a few small changes mostly dealing with hands where a flush is possible.



Yeah, it's definitely not too much. One example I can think of offhand.

3 to a Royal > 4 to a Flush always instead of most of the time.

But to be more accurate, you can use JB's strategy maker to find 8/5 JoB strategy:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-74-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-8-d-25-d-50-d-800/
AxelWolf
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January 14th, 2014 at 5:36:02 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah, it's definitely not too much. One example I can think of offhand.

3 to a Royal > 4 to a Flush always instead of most of the time.

But to be more accurate, you can use JB's strategy maker to find 8/5 JoB strategy:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-74-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-2-d-3-d-4-d-5-d-8-d-25-d-50-d-800/

defiantly wont be holding king 10. And
the 3 card str8 flush holds Vs high cards is going to be more picky. If he is going to be playing a lot of VP in the future, It would be worth it to learn the few changes there are. they have a fair amount of 8/5 bonus pokeraround and the changes would apply on that game as well.

I have seen people pass up 106% edges to go home and study. And im not talking about a complicated game like AA.

I mean 6% edges at 106%
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
tringlomane
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January 14th, 2014 at 6:02:51 PM permalink
Yeah, it only suggests to hold KT suited without a flush penalty. Very marginal in 8/5 JoB, or 8/5 Bonus for that matter.
AxelWolf
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January 14th, 2014 at 6:24:50 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah, it only suggests to hold KT suited without a flush penalty. Very marginal in 8/5 JoB, or 8/5 Bonus for that matter.

I don't think you do it in 8/5 bonus.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Mission146
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January 14th, 2014 at 7:29:19 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't think you do it in 8/5 bonus.



I just ran it:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/

You would hold it in 8/5 Bonus provided no Flush penalty card.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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