Pokeraddict
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March 25th, 2012 at 2:36:53 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

Not that it matters, but what does the casino do if there is an exposed burn card, either by dealer error, or a boxed card becoming the first burn card. Does that nullify the burn the rake promotion? If that's the case, players will FUME if the boxed card is a 2,4,6,8.

Obviously, you are sold on this idea. You've knocked down most concerns that POKER PLAYERS have brought up. So good luck with your idea. I'm sure it will be a success. I'm sure the side games at the WSOP will be clamoring to take on this endeavor.



A boxed card cannot be involved in a hand in any way. If there is a boxed card, it is set aside as if it were as some say "A scrap of paper." In some rare instances, a triple draw game may have the house rule that a boxed 2,3,4,5,7 in 2-7 or a wheel card in A-5 may be kept by a player.

As for my spam thoughts, I don't run the forum, it just seemed odd that someone would come in and say "come visit my site" instead of "this is my idea, let's discuss it".
Tiltpoul
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March 25th, 2012 at 2:47:22 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

A boxed card cannot be involved in a hand in any way. If there is a boxed card, it is set aside as if it were as some say "A scrap of paper." In some rare instances, a triple draw game may have the house rule that a boxed 2,3,4,5,7 in 2-7 or a wheel card in A-5 may be kept by a player.



I should have been a bit more clear... I meant an exposed card. However, the OP answered the question.

If whatme's comments are accurate, you're telling me a casual gambler who sees a 2,4,6,8 exposed will not throw a hissy fit about not getting to "burn the rake????" I'm telling you right now, some people will get up and walk away from that game if they feel they were cheated. I can hear it now...
"But it wasn't my fault that card was exposed. Call the floor over; they have to make this decision. I SAID CALL THE FLOOR."

You're only going to lose ONE HAND AN HOUR?? Again, I'm sure it'll be implemented in all Caesars properties soon. Bellagio will be jumping on this idea.
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March 25th, 2012 at 2:56:09 PM permalink
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You're only going to lose ONE HAND AN HOUR?? Again, I'm sure it'll be implemented in all Caesars properties soon. Bellagio will be jumping on this idea.



Bellagio does not have a jackpot drop or any other gimmicks. I don't see this flying in any serious poker room. None of the CET poker rooms are serious, and rake 10% up to $5. One could end up with a $10 rake if they lose their side bet. The biggest issue I see here is the fish getting ridiculed for making dumb bets, which will break them faster and hurt how much the sharks make, which is why they will get ridiculed.

Also, not paying rake is an advanced concept, much like rakeback is. The target audience, the ones who know what rake is and does to the game, are not likely to take this high edge side bet. The ones that are the gamblers, are not going to understand what they are winning. They did not really win anything, they just did not lose more in their mind. I would think that lacks appeal to most fish.

I am also curious how the house would know how effective this is. Are they going to have the dealer mark how much extra was dropped or not dropped on certain hands, or is the overall drop difference how they will compare?
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March 25th, 2012 at 2:58:58 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

A boxed card cannot be involved in a hand in any way. If there is a boxed card, it is set aside as if it were as some say "A scrap of paper." In some rare instances, a triple draw game may have the house rule that a boxed 2,3,4,5,7 in 2-7 or a wheel card in A-5 may be kept by a player.

As for my spam thoughts, I don't run the forum, it just seemed odd that someone would come in and say "come visit my site" instead of "this is my idea, let's discuss it".



In poker a boxed card will be treated as a exposed burn card, only if there is one that hand anymore than that you are correct it's a misdeal. Same thing happens players get pissed in misdeals but they deal with it and move on to next hand.
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March 25th, 2012 at 2:59:02 PM permalink
Burntherake, you should watch "shark tank" particularly season 3 episode 10. Long responses even with good info on other aspects don't get you a good reaction for the q that was asked.The reason for this recommendation is simple. I asked a simple Q and it should have a simple A.

I know you meant well with the your response, a short simple answer would help you get a better response from casino's. i.e. "you increase house take by xx% for just 1-2 hands per/hr "

I still don't know what happens to the rake, what are the odds? In short fill in the xx's with no other comment:

"you increase house take by xx% for just 1-2 hands per/hr "
buzzpaff
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March 25th, 2012 at 3:00:14 PM permalink
I would never play at such a table. Letting all the players see three cards that were definetly not in my hand. NO WAY !!!!!!!!
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March 25th, 2012 at 3:05:54 PM permalink
Quote: burntherake

In poker a boxed card will be treated as a exposed burn card, only if there is one that hand anymore than that you are correct it's a misdeal. Same thing happens players get pissed in misdeals but they deal with it and move on to next hand.



Are you saying that your game will change the rule on boxed cards? If there is a boxed card in a deck, it is removed and the next card is used in its place. Your side bet changes that? I don't understand your post here. Can you please clarify?
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March 25th, 2012 at 3:08:36 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

Bellagio does not have a jackpot drop or any other gimmicks. I don't see this flying in any serious poker room. None of the CET poker rooms are serious, and rake 10% up to $5. One could end up with a $10 rake if they lose their side bet. The biggest issue I see here is the fish getting ridiculed for making dumb bets, which will break them faster and hurt how much the sharks make, which is why they will get ridiculed.



It's tough to convey sarcasm on here. Besides, the OP seems sold on the idea, so nothing we bring up here is likely to change his mind that this is a great idea, despite the fact that nearly every poker player on this board is vehemently opposed to the idea. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't put any effort to create a website and seek patent protection unless I was 100% confident that the idea was great.

I've even floated a three-card side bet based on the three cards on the flop. I'm convinced it would get action... but when I talk to people, they tell me it probably wouldn't. Oh well, no biggie. It's fun to come up with new ideas. But to go to the hassle of a patent and expansion? That seems like a waste of time and money for something that nearly everybody is hating.
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buzzpaff
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March 25th, 2012 at 3:12:42 PM permalink
The problem here is that friends and co-workers invariable will tell any inventor his idea is great. This one truly sucks. If not dead on arrival, any decent poker dealer will do what he can to kill this idea. Just what a dealer wants, more work, and calculatimng the size of the pot and rake after the hand is over. DUMB IDEA !!
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March 25th, 2012 at 7:26:34 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul



I've even floated a three-card side bet based on the three cards on the flop. I'm convinced it would get action... but when I talk to people, they tell me it probably wouldn't...



Tiltpoul, this side-bet has already been introduced into Vegas a few years ago - I think it was at Palace Station for a while. Anyway, the wager got removed and is not in Vegas anymore as far as I'm aware.

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