SOOPOO
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March 6th, 2011 at 5:18:06 PM permalink
but I suggest never getting in a no limit game unless you practice somewhere to get the full understanding of the game.



Now you got it!
duckston09
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March 6th, 2011 at 5:41:08 PM permalink
Hi Thecesspit, What really made me mad was, when I go to a casino with friends, I play 2-4 fixed limit, and win or lose, I enjoy myself. Losing $200.00 in a game I had no business getting into, was really frustrating. Obviously you have a great deal of experience in no limit poker. I can tell from your response, that your a good no limit player. Nice hearing from you again.
odiousgambit
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March 6th, 2011 at 5:44:01 PM permalink
>WizardofEngland

I think the line you are looking for is "tis better to keep thy mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

but i suppose there are variations. Thanks for the refresher
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
wildqat
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March 6th, 2011 at 11:42:53 PM permalink
Grunch:

Quote: duckston09

There were three of us in the pot and after the flop I had a set of 7's. i was going last, so I was in the best position.There were three hearts on the flop. The first and second player checked and I check also.


You should be betting here much of the time. A set is a strong hand. Even if you're facing a flopped flush, you have a one in three chance to beat it. If someone flopped a flush draw, you don't want to give them a free chance to catch that flush. Half pot or so should deny proper pot odds to draws, and shouldn't commit you if villain decides to push back. If everyone folds, there likely wasn't any money to be made here.

Quote: duckston09

A dead card hit the turn and the first and second player checked into me again. Playing for the first time, I was confused what i should do. I'm in the last position and had no idea what to do. I knew I had to bet, but how much should I bet. I knew someone must have a heart in there hand and I didn't want to give them a free card to see the river.


Charging a draw is a reasonable reason to bet (like I said on the flop)...

Quote: duckston09

I decide to go all in.


...but shoving here is the worst possible move...

Quote: duckston09

I figured if someone was looking for that fourth heart they would be forced to fold.


...and that is the reason.

Here's the thing: if villain is on a flush draw, you don't want him to fold. You want him to stick around. putting money in the pot, while he hopes that he can catch his flush. You need to bet enough to deny him pot odds, but not so much that you chase him off. You're better than four to one to win the hand, so you don't need to bet a whole lot to deny him odds, either; one-third pot will do the trick. Conversely, a huge bet here can really only be called by a flush.

There's basically a couple reasons to bet:

  1. You think a worse hand will call.
  2. You think you can get a better hand to fold.
In this case, you're probably not getting a better hand to fold. A flush isn't folding here, especially at $1-2, and a higher set probably isn't, either. So you're left with betting for value vs. a flush draw (or two pair, or TPTK, but you have those pretty well dominated).

Now we talk about bet sizing. All your huge bet accomplishes here is to chase the worse hands away. The only hands that can look you up here are flopped flushes, and probably most flushes at this level (not just the high ones). $1-$2 players tend to think in terms of "LOL I has a flush," so they're not likely to care that you might have a better flush, they'll just look you up. So that huge bet negates the first reason to bet, because you're not going to get any value from it (a worse hand won't give you any more money, and better hand will take your money). Therefore, there's no reason to make a huge bet.

A smaller bet (one-third to one-half pot) stands a much better chance of getting called by a draw.

Now, if you get called here, I'd be in favor of shutting it down on the river if you don't improve your hand:
  • If the fourth heart comes and villain bets, I'm tossing my hand; if checked to, I'm checking behind because there's no real value to be had by betting (only a flush can sanely call a bet, and even at $1-$2, I don't think insanity is prevalent enough to make betting here a good play).
  • If it's another blank and villain bets, I'm probably calling, crying all the way (dependent upon villain, of course). If checked to, I'd still lean towards checking behind, because again, there's not much value to be had here (although more than with four hearts on board).

Of course, all of this assumes that you don't improve your set. If you do, your job now becomes coaxing villain into putting all his chips in the middle.

Quote: duckston09

Well, I went all in and one guy called. He already had the king high flush on the flop. I was totally amazed that he check the flop and the turn with a flush.


LOL $1-$2

Seriously, flopping a king-high flush, he's probably slowplaying it. It's probably am OK strategy here. Slowplaying is usually not good unless you're so far ahead of everyone else that they need a chance to catch up (but not pass, of course) before they'll commit more money to the pot.
JIMMYFOCKER
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March 7th, 2011 at 5:26:16 AM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

I play no-limit exclusively, mainly because limit is too slow paced for my style.

I am tight aggressive, passive pre-flop, aggressive post-flop.

Preflop if I have premium I am raising 3x the BB plus 1 for every caller. Speculative hands like 77, or suited connectors I am just calling in position.

Postflop I am always betting 75% of the pot if I still like my hand. I only check raise/call when I have a monster.

I think you could of avoiding going broke by not bgoing all-in. Think about what sort of hands are going to call an all-in. Your looking at a higher set, or a made hand. The expected value in going all-in there is very low. You might of got away if you had bet 50-75% of the pot, and the flush had raised.




This is a nice recipe, it's called "profiting as a nit", and it's nothing to be ashamed of, and highly effective at good comp rooms globally.
duckston09
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March 8th, 2011 at 4:18:59 AM permalink
Many thanks to wildqat and jimmyfocker. All the responses have been very helpful. In fact , after reading everybodys views gives me more incentive to learn this game. I was content on just playing fixed limit. But there are so many different strategies in no limit that I am determined to learn this game. Thanks again
WizardofEngland
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March 8th, 2011 at 4:35:31 AM permalink
Quote: JIMMYFOCKER

This is a nice recipe, it's called "profiting as a nit", and it's nothing to be ashamed of, and highly effective at good comp rooms globally.



Total profit since Januray = £4,304.23
Total last year = £22,812

You can always look me up on topsharkpro if you doubt it.....

Nothing nitty about ANY profit
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