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Ayecarumba
May 26th, 2019 at 2:27:40 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

It completely depends upon whether the other two players raised + called, raised+ reraised, or limped (called and called) to get into the hand.

1. Most people are guided by: the more people in the hand than the bigger the return if you do get a favorable flop. Therefore, the 4th and 5th pre-flop callers/limpers can usually do so with average to poor hands -because the size of the pot they can win justifies making a small bet even with mediocre-to-bad hands.

So, if you are on the button and you open the betting by calling, and the small blind calls and the big blind checks, then no one has shown any pre-flop strength. You might reasonably expect to have the best pre-flop hand with J-9 off or K3 suited.

However, if you have raised in early position, and someone goes all in behind you, and then a third player goes all-in with a larger stack and you call - well, I expect the 3rd player to have QQ, KK or AA. And if you have AQ-suited I expect that you are almost certainly beat.
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Remember - people's decisions to raise, fold or call are information, and the information has different meanings dependent upon the situation, the position of the players, the relevant stack sizes, etc. If you ignore that information than you have no hope of winning in the long run. That information is far more important that some analysis of how high the highest hand will be of 3 random hands.



I don't think anyone is suggesting differently. Aye was isolating one factor, that of 3 at the table, without considering your position, if anyone was already indicating action, stack sizes, or any reads you have on other players. For sure all those other factors have to be a part of your consideration.
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May 26th, 2019 at 2:39:59 PM permalink
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May 26th, 2019 at 4:46:38 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Sorry, I wasn't clear, that's not what I meant. Of course there's a big difference in a ring game, goes without saying, that's what's odd about the post. I only meant the three-handed part, and the phrase "reasonably expect". I don't think I could "reasonably expect" to be in the lead with King-anything, three-handed.



Thanks Bobbartop. At the end of the day, knowing your hand is probably better than half the other possible starting hands is not enough information alone, and any action will depend on a number of factors that you and others have pointed out.

I suppose a follow up question for the tournament poker players is “Forgetting the data in the tables, what starting hand would you need in order to say, ‘I’ve probably got the best hand between the three of us.’”

AQ? Any pair? Suited connectors?
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May 26th, 2019 at 5:16:52 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Thanks Bobbartop. At the end of the day, knowing your hand is probably better than half the other possible starting hands is not enough information alone, and any action will depend on a number of factors that you and others have pointed out.

I suppose a follow up question for the tournament poker players is “Forgetting the data in the tables, what starting hand would you need in order to say, ‘I’ve probably got the best hand between the three of us.’”

AQ? Any pair? Suited connectors?



Can I ask you a personal question? I don't want to offend you. But are you just starting out in poker? Are you a young person, or an old man like me?

Some players prefer video poker to live poker, a lot less subjective. Do you enjoy the interaction of live poker? Some people love it. It can be stressful.
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