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BigTip
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September 6th, 2010 at 8:13:02 AM permalink
I don't get too upset with stupid people being rewarded for stupid play. I use to, but now that I have played over a million hands from my on-line and brick and mortar play, I think I've seen it all. Nothing really surprises me now.

I do know that when I go to Vegas my variance playing poker is a lot less than playing bj and craps.

I've been at a lot of tables like the OP described with a bunch of wannabes and posers. But I've been at some fun, jovial ones too.

The odds favor that some unknown is going to win the WSOP main event. When you only have 30 or 40 "stars" playing against 7,000 "blind squirrels", chances are that one of those blind squirrels is going to luck upon an acorn. But if there was some way to identify the top 25% skilled players, I would bet them at 2-1 odds over the field. I think that know-how would over come the luck factor by that much differential.
waltomeal
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September 6th, 2010 at 10:36:44 AM permalink
Exactly!
The reason I lose at poker is because EVERYBODY ELSE sucks.
And I lose a craps because the casino cheats.
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FleaStiff
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September 6th, 2010 at 11:13:00 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

But I found the book to be fascinating, and completely sensible. You stay when your odds are good, you fold when your odds are bad. By doing so, you win more than you lose.

What happens when its a seven person game and everyone of them has read that book?
DJTeddyBear
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September 6th, 2010 at 1:54:45 PM permalink
Quote: waltomeal

And I lose a craps because the casino cheats.

Before we get into THAT tangent, there's a whole thread for that:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/2607-casinos-dont-cheat-prove-it/
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Mosca
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September 6th, 2010 at 2:35:54 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

What happens when its a seven person game and everyone of them has read that book?




It's a big enough ocean, I think. And regardless; the number of people who read advice about how to do something and then actually follow it when in the real world is astonishingly small. I'm taking the chance that EvenBob is sufficiently motivated to actually apply what he learns.
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Caffiend
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September 6th, 2010 at 9:17:11 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

What happens when its a seven person game and everyone of them has read that book?



In that case you'd take the opposite approach. The book is conservative enough that against six people who had only read that book you'd be able to steal significant amounts of small pots. Granted it's much more boring and less profitable than a loose table.

In the general case of "everyone's read the same book" it's down to whoever makes the most mistakes. It's not unknown for poker games to go -EV when the rake/time passes the amount you can win. More common are long runs of breaking even punctuated by short bouts of winning/losing.

That's often overlooked when people talk about the serious players waiting around to fleece the easy marks. You have to have a certain amount of them in order to keep the games running.
avargov
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September 7th, 2010 at 10:31:26 AM permalink
If you have any poker skill whatsoever, go play at the Alamo in.Reno. Softest 3-6.game I have ever played. Truckers love to throw their chips in. Any discipline at all can net you 30 bucks an hour...easy
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TheJacob
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September 7th, 2010 at 2:26:52 PM permalink
Your posts highlights exactly what poker(or other advantage play) is really all about.

Sure you need to be very skilled to win at the highest stakes cash games, but when it comes to the mid/low stakes your average person can easily win if they take the time and effort.

They can very easily learn how to beat the games, but actually doing so is another matter entirely.
rudeboyoi
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September 7th, 2010 at 2:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: avargov

If you have any poker skill whatsoever, go play at the Alamo in.Reno. Softest 3-6.game I have ever played. Truckers love to throw their chips in. Any discipline at all can net you 30 bucks an hour...easy



a 5bet/hr winner in a game that probably costs players 2.5bets per hour in rake, not likely.
avargov
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September 7th, 2010 at 4:03:21 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

a 5bet/hr winner in a game that probably costs players 2.5bets per hour in rake, not likely.



I think you may feel otherwise if you sat at that game, I have many times an have done exceptionally well. Very captive audience of truck drivers who fancy themselves as poker pros with deep pockets. Mind you, one cannot play foolishly, but if you make one or two moves early, they really start chasing cards, and proper play cleans up. I firmly believe in the adage 'the money at the poker table will always flow from the good player to the better player'. And I have never seen a situation like the Alamo where that holds more true.
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