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1. Christmas hand
You know the hand that feels like Christmas -- you've been given a gift, and it's the kind that only comes once a year. The kind of hand where you flop the nuts and find your opponent betting heavily into you. In this instance, playing $1-2 NL, I've straddled, someone raised $20 immediately, cutoff calls, button calls, small and big blind call, and I have Kd-Jd and call as well. The flop comes a beautiful Qs-10h-9s. The small blind (started with $460 or so) bets $200. The big blind (started with $500) calls. I haven't bet yet, I've only committed $20, and here I am in a $500+ pot having flopped the nuts with two players already committed. Like I said, it feels like Christmas. I started the hand with $900, a min raise would about put them all in, so I make it $550 to go. The preflop raiser, cutoff and button fold, the blinds call. The turn was the 4s, the river the 10d. The big blind showed Ks-10s (out of turn) and the small blind mucked his cards, claiming he had aces. The dealer pushes slightly over $1,500 to the person sitting right next to me, who shrugs and says "I figured I had outs." He did have outs -- in fact, his call was good (his second call, anyway). I just wish he didn't hit.
2. Great read, terrible result.
Again $1-2 NL, the player to my right is overly aggressive, and he hates me. I think every one of my dollars is worth $1.50 to this guy. It's good to have him on my right. Under the gun, he bets $20 preflop and because he's overly aggressive I'll call him with almost anything there, because if I hit, he'll commit his stack trying to run me over. In this instance, I've got 9h-8h, so yes, I'm calling. I'm calling all day long. So do three other players. Flop comes a pretty but scary 9d-8d-7d. He thinks and bets $80 at the $120 pot. Again, he's very aggressive, and I believe he'd make this bet with any overpair, AK, any high diamond or any nine. More, he tends to say things he shouldn't. Earlier, in another hand, he'd said, genuinely, "no way he bets that much if he has a set," showing he legitimately believes that it's an objectively wrong play to really bet your monster hands. I believe the odds of his having a high flush are very low. That said, the are four players to act after me. My decision is not to try to raise (and commit against a possible flush or straight), but to call, hoping I know more on the turn. One player calls after me -- a calling station who never saw a draw he didn't like. I put him on a single high diamond. The turn comes the 5s. I'm now a favorite against any flush draw. The aggressive player, first to act, pushes all in for $280. I pause -- he COULD have something like Ad-6s. Or, he could have hit a monster on the flop. I'm just not sure about him, but then he says another genuine thing -- "It's going to cost you to draw to your flush." I have seen this guy tilt before because I drew to a hand and hit it, with him making a godawful crying call for all his chips. He legitimately believes, I decide, that he currently has the best hand, but is vulnerable to the flush draw. I decide he most likely has an overpair, a nine, or possibly two-pair (unlikely given his preflop raise). He could have a set, but I don't believe he would bet a set on that flop. So I call (I had about $260 left). The third player, holding about $400, calls as well. The river is the 5 of diamonds, giving me the third best hand -- the aggressive player has two black tens. The winner of the hand has Ad-Qh. It turns out that I lost on any five, six, seven, ten or jack (16 outs) or the 2, 3, 4, Q or K of diamonds. In other words, I had 21 "outs" (blank cards) and 21 cards that killed me -- I was 50/50 to win the hand, and was getting 2 to 1 on my money. My read on that player turned out to be dead on -- I was about 65-35 vs him, but of course I was also right about the guy drawing to the flush. While a 50/50 hand isn't technically a "bad beat," this was another one of those big hands that it'd be nice to win on occasion.
3. Maybe I deserved it.
I can't really justify my preflop raise with 9c-7d. I don't have a "roadie" or anything like that. I just feel when the table is playing tight, it's good to stab at a few hands, and it's better to bluff with crap than to bluff with a medium hand. So I raised it to $35 preflop. Got one caller from the cutoff -- a new player to the table, we had not played together before. When the flop came 10h-8c-6c, I felt a little guilty betting. Oh well. My $60 bet looked like a weakish continuation bet, and he called. The 9h turn I did not like -- yeah, it put a second flush draw on board, but it also made my hand no longer the nuts. Now J-7 and Q-J beat me. Still, I don't think he HAS J-7 or Q-J. If he has one of the two possible holdings that beat me... he's going to make some money. I bet $150 at the pot, again trying to draw as much of his stack in as possible. He calls. The Qs river looks harmless enough -- flush draws missed, at least -- and I bet an even $200. He raises me his remaining $339 (that number stuck with me, as I spent a LOT of time thinking). Now the pot has a little over $1200, it's about 3 and a third to call... I'm getting slightly worse than 4 to 1 on my money. He could have pocket Q's. He could have been slowplaying a set. He could have two pair. He could be going a little crazy on pocket aces or kings -- the board looks relatively tame for them, although his play would be ridiculously weak there. Or, he could be straight up bluffing with a busted flush draw (because my $200 bet at a $500 pot was low enough that he had a big enough remaining stack to try to bluff, and a big enough pot that he might try -- in retrospect, the bet was maybe a little too low). Those are the hands I could beat. I'm losing to any J, with J-J, J-10, or any suited J of clubs being a strong possibility. My read is one of danger, but I don't know this player -- he could have A-Q, for all I know. I decide I have to call -- even if I'm beat, I may see this player again and I need to see his hand. He turns out to have J-10 -- he was 5% on the flop and 15% on the turn, but 100% on the river, and that's what matters. That's what I get for raising with 9-7.
The only time I get upset or rethink something is if I don't play the way I should have. I can control myself. I will never control the cards.
ZCore13
I shoulda won, but then I lost.
Quote: Zer0Oh I got one. today at a bounty tournament I go all in with KK in mid position with 1 or 2 limpers, BB reshoves with AK OS, we go heads up all in, he one cards A-2-3-4-5. I was so pissed.
Thats not even close to a bad beat. 70-30 is not a bad beat IMO. Plus you ended up chopping the pot so you weren't beat.
Very similar to yours, GJ, I was playing at a table where a guy flopped a boat only to be beaten by runner-runner quads.Quote: GreasyjohnI once saw a tournament where a guy with 99 goes all in against a guy with 77. The flop comes 7,7,A. Then a 9 on the turn and a 9 on the river. The chances of the 99 winning after the flop was 1 in 990. I've seen this kind of win referred to as a "catch perfect."
Also, one time, I was in a family pot (9 players in) and the flop comes 8-8-8, and it checks around. The turn is the case 8. A guy in late position bets and is called by 4 other players! I'm wondering how many aces are in the deck! The river? Yep, an ace! 5-way chop. Everybody shows, and the only player with an ace in his hand was the turn bettor!
Quote: GWAEThats not even , close to a bad beat. 70-30 is not a bad beat IMO. Plus you ended up chopping the pot so you weren't beat.
No I didn't, I had a pair of kings, he had a sraight I lost the tournament that way. So apparently you're right that it was a 70-30 matchup, I guess it just pissed me off the WAY it happened more than anything since what he caught in and of itself is still unlikely.
Quote: Zer0No I didn't, I had a pair of kings, he had a sraight I lost the tournament that way. So apparently you're right that it was a 70-30 matchup, I guess it just pissed me off the WAY it happened more than anything since what he caught in and of itself is still unlikely.
I thought you meant the board was a2345. Not saying I wouldn't be pissed, just was saying it's not a terrible bad beat. I got knocked out of tourney while in 2nd place once in a similar fashion.
It's me in 2nd vs the chip leader. I have AA in late position. He is first to act and ships it. I obviously have to call. He has 22. Board ends up A345 X. Happy ending to the story is I ended up with a royal on VP while playing off my free play. If I win that hand I probably don't even play VP that day.
Quote: GWAEI thought you meant the board was a2345. Not saying I wouldn't be pissed, just was saying it's not a terrible bad beat. I got knocked out of tourney while in 2nd place once in a similar fashion.
It's me in 2nd vs the chip leader. I have AA in late position. He is first to act and ships it. I obviously have to call. He has 22. Board ends up A345 X. Happy ending to the story is I ended up with a royal on VP while playing off my free play. If I win that hand I probably don't even play VP that day.
Yeah what happens is the flop comes up 345 all spades (which it just so happens he had one of), then a 2 comes on the turn. It just sucked because I got litterally one of the worst flops I could have possibly gotten short of 3 aces popping up.
You can't control that, but you can control wasting your mental energy on useless trivia.
A few weeks ago at the nugget, I was in a three way all in. One guy had a set, one guy had a straight and flush draw. I had top pair with a crappy kicker. I made a runner runner full house and stacked them both.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
One tip for not being too frustrated when you get sucked out on is to think back on your greatest suck outs and try to enjoy the memory.
Go round the table... I'd expect such Bad Beats are well represented in each players experiences.Quote: ElastoidI know that bad beats are a natural part of poker. I'm good with my mantras: "I want that call, there," "Least I got my money in good," "I'd rather play well than be lucky," and the always-classic "That's poker." Still, everyone's got poker stories. Over the last month, I've been in three such hands that I have to whine about.
In poker every player is at risk and the house gets a rake. In other games, there is a house edge but bad beats still take place (under other terminology). The house never groans about bad beats against it. The dealer just smiles and spins the wheel again, knowing the math. Its the same thing with poker, you've been felted by math, not luck, skill or conspiracy.
Edit: I was thinking about this hand and if Oliver had had AQ then the betting might have played out the same way. Then Sammy would have needed a queen on the river for a chop.
It's a loose 1/2 NL table, and I limp in middle position with 6d7c. (I know, I know, I deserve whatever beat happens next for playing that crap!) 7 players still in when it gets to the button, who makes it $5 to go. Everyone calls -- 8 to see the flop, which is 4, 5, 8 with 2 clubs. Jackpot for me! :)
BB bets out. Early position raises all-in. I smooth call. Button raises enough to put both me and BB all-in should we call, and we do. The action is over, but nobody shows. I figure there's a set or two pair out there, and a flush draw or two. So, all I have to do is dodge another club and make sure the board doesn't pair, and I'm golden.
Well, the turn brought the 3rd club, and to add insult to injury, the river brought a 4th club :P Well, at least my straight improved to a flush! :/ So, I know I'm pretty much toast as we reveal our hands. BB has 44 and EP has 55! Hey, my 7 high flush is good so far! Then the button flips over 88... both black. He takes it down with his 8 high flush.
I figured I was the favorite on the flop, but not by much. As it turned out, I was actually a pretty decent favorite, since they all held each other's outs.
But that was one heck of a flop... straight over set over set over set... with a flush draw! Never seen anything like that.
Quote: GreasyjohnI once saw a tournament where a guy with 99 goes all in against a guy with 77. The flop comes 7,7,A. Then a 9 on the turn and a 9 on the river. The chances of the 99 winning after the flop was 1 in 990. I've seen this kind of win referred to as a "catch perfect."
I just wanted to add that the 1 chance in 990 mentioned above is the worst bad beat that can occur in Hold' em.
Quote: GreasyjohnI just wanted to add that the 1 chance in 990 mentioned above is the worst bad beat that can occur in Hold' em.
What about having 3d 4d on a 5d 6d 7d flop, only for the turn/river to be 8d 9d and your opponent turn over 10d Jd?
That would be 1 chance in 1,980. I must admit when I stated that 1 chance in 990 was as bad as it gets I was wondering if I was correct. I thought about straight flushes but couldn't put my finger on it. But your example is it!Quote: IbeatyouracesWhat about having 3d 4d on a 5d 6d 7d flop, only for the turn/river to be 8d 9d and your opponent turn over 10d Jd?
Edit: Wait a minute!!! Forget what I just wrote! I was just doing the math and the chances are the same. 1 in 990. In your example there are two and only two cards that would make a higher straight flush, and they could be dealt in any order. Same as 9,9.
Quote: GreasyjohnThat would be 1 chance in 1,980. I must admit when I stated that 1 chance in 990 was as bad as it gets I was wondering if I was correct. I thought about straight flushes but couldn't put my finger on it. But your example is it!
Should be the same odds. Don't forget, the turn and river can come either way.
The scenario could come up in 4 different suits but who's counting! YouTube is full of "Bad Beat" poker hands.
I'm playing $2-$5 no limit at the Mardi Gras in Hollywood, FL.
I'm out of the hand preflop. Guy on seat five raised pre flop $50 and gets a few callers (seat one, two and eight to be exact)... Flop comes Ks, Kh & 10s. Seat five is first to act and checks. Second to act is seat eight who bets $75. Fold, fold, then seat five calls. Turn comes Qs. Seat five checks again. Seat eight bets $175. Seat five simply calls. River comes garbage. Seat five now leads with $250, seat eight raises to $550, seat five raises all in (about $1200 total). Seat eight painfully ponders for a few seconds and mutters "if you caught that shit so be it", calls and flips over the Kc Kd for flopped quads, seat five flips over As Js for the turned Royal.
No bad beat jackpot in the room. High hand was good for $1000, with quad Ks being the high hand, if not for the royal who won, obviously... Simply terrible, about a $3000 hand + the $1000 high hand which was over in about a minute. Seat eight walks straight to the door.
Quote: HowManyBad beat stories are pretty lame, in my opinion. They're all the same:
I shoulda won, but then I lost.
Only lame if the person whining about it does it all the time as if the poker gods hate him/her.
Otherwise, bad beat stories, like the bad beats themselves, are a part of poker and part of the entertainment.