tringlomane
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January 2nd, 2014 at 5:53:32 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I recall this happened in the WSOP a few years ago, when the, "lumberjack" guy had a flush but did not bet. He was penalized one orbit of blinds. I recall that a straight flush would be possible with the board cards, so I was puzzled since he didn't technically have the "nuts".



In that case, they would have got the ruling wrong then. It has to be the nuts on board.

I have only heard this rule being enforced in tournaments, more specifically the WSOP. I don't have a problem with it, but it usually penalizes those that aren't trying to angle the game.
Ibeatyouraces
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January 2nd, 2014 at 5:57:47 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
98Clubs
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January 2nd, 2014 at 6:45:09 PM permalink
busted... thanks Ibeatyouraces
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bdc42
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:50:47 AM permalink
he did have the nuts. straight was not possible.
bdc42
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:56:04 AM permalink
the max rake thing is a non-issue. if he folds to a raise, the pot is not raked from your bet, only called wagers. I think its a good rule. why, collusion is the "reason", most colluders (?) playing as a team wouldn't get into a situation like this. I think it helps keep "friends" from soft playing one another, which is a big gripe of mine. if you would punish my 3rd nut flush, why not punish your "friend"? I've seen stuff like top full house just call or check as the last bettor to their friend and it is really irritating. the point of having a tell is valid, but I think the good of the game is more protected with the rule in place. imo.
DrMeh
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February 9th, 2014 at 3:11:32 PM permalink
I like the rule as long as discretion is used. How else can you help combat collusion? The discretion occurs when deciding whether or not it was an honest mistake. I've seen too many colluding players and think some additional measures need to be in place to prevent it. I don't know what those measures would be though.
socks
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February 12th, 2014 at 8:10:04 PM permalink
I have my doubts this is a rule in non-tournament games. In tournaments, you want to prevent chip dumping since everyone's equity is effected by the actions of the people in a hand. In a ring game, anyone who was in the hand can ask to see a hand the hand, though some casinos require you justify the request especially if you make multiple requests.
24Bingo
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February 12th, 2014 at 9:06:02 PM permalink
I've never heard of this rule before. I suppose calling to close the action is suspicious, but I at least hope it's restricted to that.
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MathExtremist
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February 12th, 2014 at 9:17:35 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

I saw a guy on YouTube just call with the nuts, and that's against the rules. Is the rule in place so that players don't go easy on friends or confederates?


I hope that's only for Hold'em games. In Omaha 8 you often want to call with a nut low if you're going to get quartered.
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Buzzard
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February 12th, 2014 at 9:28:45 PM permalink
There is collusion all the time, even in the WSOP. A player is all in pre-flop, and 2 other players with bigger stacks call. You can bet your ass that's all the action you'll see. Neither will want to force the other out of the pot and have the all-in player go up against one hand instead of two. Happens all the time, and commentators will even comment about how smart the 2 players are.
Players who always bet and/or raise at almost every opportunity, will check all the way to the river.
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