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Mission146
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July 6th, 2012 at 7:14:11 PM permalink
Did someone not mention that Morgan refused to disclose the hand out of, "Respect for his opponent." If I'm going to read between the lines on that, to me, it reads, "He's a good player, I didn't want to make him look like an idiot."

I could be wrong, though.
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buzzpaff
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July 6th, 2012 at 7:14:41 PM permalink
Day One. He thought he was beat and laid down quads. Who on this forum
besides Stephen and Switch is qualified to judge his action ?
And Stephen has already spoken.
Opinions are like assholes, everybodys got one .
Mission146
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July 6th, 2012 at 7:31:44 PM permalink
I fully understand that he thought he was beat, the question is, was he beat? I don't even think the question is whether or not you should fold if you think you are beat, of course you should, the question is whether or not he should have thought he was beat.

I'm also not judging anyone, we're on a gambling Forum where we give opinions about gambling-related matters, and being a professional poker player (while certainly adding weight to one's opinion) is not a prerequisite for offering an opinion and attempting to defend it, here. If being a professional anything were a prerequisite, I'd have been evicted a long time ago. I'm an admitted, "Slots first," player and my first thread/post was about a Blackjack system!!!

I'm interested in what Switch has to say, as well. I also understand the nature of opinions being comparable to that of rectal cavities, however, we've got nearly forty rectal cavities vs. one on the poll saying that he should have called it.

I will gladly eat a hoagie consisting of only bread and fecal matter in July if I am proven wrong. I will enter this thread and publicly announce my incorrectness and state that all of my poker opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, because they should anyway! I'm a decent poker player when it comes to the probabilities and odds-based plays, I can't read other players for crap, but I usually make a few bucks at the poker table. I've never claimed to be a world-beater because I'm not, I'm slightly better than your average local, "Regular," whittling away his Tuesday evening at a low-limit table. I've performed well in a tournament or two, but they've not been serious (major) tournaments.

I have presented my opinion and I have attempted to defend it, however, I apologize if you find that fact offensive.
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buzzpaff
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July 6th, 2012 at 7:42:55 PM permalink
" I fully understand that he thought he was beat, the question is, was he beat? "

I found nothing offensive in any of your postings. Was just stating that everybody has an opinion on this.

But the fact remains he thought he was beat . In that case he has to fold. Particularly on Day one of a

Million Dollar Entry Tournament. The key word is TOURNAMENT.

I just place a slightly higher value on Stephen and Switch's opinion.

Sort of a " Been there, done that " point of view" .
Zcore13
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July 6th, 2012 at 7:56:16 PM permalink
There are many, many people who are qualified to judge him. Just because he has a million dollars to enter a Tournament doesn't mean he's a good player. He most likely made a mistake. Being a millionaire doesn't exclude you from bad play or mistakes. He definitely did not know his opponent had a straight flush. At best it was a hunch, with the actual chances of the hunch being true being very low.

The fact that he did lay that hand down and then didn't make the final table money lends a little more credibility to the possibility he should have played out the hand, as the reason he most like would give for laying it down would be to have a chance to make the final table.

To me he played scared. We'll see what the true result would have been for the hand in a few weeks, but something tells me had he played the hand and won that he still wouldn't have had a chance to win the whole thing and would have been lucky to make the final table.

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buzzpaff
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:01:51 PM permalink
Wow, wish I had that ability to judge a player I have never seen play. And I am thrilled to learn that if you do not make the final table, that validates you played a hand on day 1 wrong.

Can I back YOU in the next WSOP !
buzzpaff
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:11:18 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I've been playing Poker for 25 years and dealing/supervising it for 6. Folding quads was a terrible decision. Given that situation over and over again there is no doubt you would win FAR more times than lose. Most likely he was up agains the nut flush or full house, with the other guy having pocket K's J's or 7"s. It may turn out to be ok for him on this hand, but it was a bad play all in all.

Zcore13




OVER AND OVER AGAIN. How many million dollar entry fee Tournaments do you think there are ?

You would win far more times than you lose. And every time you lose, your tournament life is over.

In this instance on Day 1. You can never win a tournament on Day 1, but you can sure as hell lose it.

The man though he was beat End of discussion !
7craps
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:19:59 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

We'll see what the true result would have been for the hand in a few weeks,

Really?
The table did not have cameras for the hole cards, at least when I watched live on day 2 and day 3.


Quad folder should have called.

At best the all in player had a flush or full house, no sflush, and many think maybe just an all out bluff.
His later comments and body language gave that away
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buzzpaff
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:21:52 PM permalink
" His later comments and body language gave that away "

I must have missed that in Caro's Book of Tells. Do you work as a profiler for the FBI ?
7craps
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:27:57 PM permalink
Naw.
I think that is BruceZ over at 2+2

My question.

Why show you are folding quads?
That is the stupid part of all his actions

He did not finish in the money, I am sure the others just ran over him.
We all would
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