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Mission146
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:43:40 AM permalink
Easy.

No hole-card cam = Push
Vultures can't be choosers.
MrCasinoGames
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July 6th, 2012 at 8:49:21 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks. Can you confirm that the truth will be known with a broadcast in July? Laying 3 to 1 feels about right to me.


OK Wizard,

If the truth will be known with a broadcast any time in 2012, then it is a bet.
Otherwise it is no bet.

Confirm if this is OK with you.
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Mission146
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July 6th, 2012 at 9:21:16 AM permalink
Wizard,

I like a good proposition bet myself, but I don't roll high with them because I am chickenexcrement. However, I will call the exact hand as a Jacks-Up Full House for $20 if you lay 7:1.

Alternatively, I'll take a Jacks-Up Full House OR Kings up Full House for $20 at 5.5:1.

I'd normally just ask for 5:1 with the latter, but I don't think he played like he had wired Kings at all. He called 200k on the turn when you'd have to put your opponent on a set. I'd have to try to scare him off my FH draw or Fold in that situation. I think it was a Jacks-Wired boat and some trap setting. The King wouldn't scare him because Smirnov would need them inside for a bigger boat, the pre-flop play rules out inside cowboys for Smirnov, from Morgan's standpoint, I would say.
Vultures can't be choosers.
WASHOO2
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July 6th, 2012 at 9:49:58 AM permalink
There are instances when it is better to forego a win than to realize a loss.
98Clubs
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July 6th, 2012 at 10:27:32 AM permalink
Quote: Gabes22

You have to play a 4 of a kind there. If he has the 9 and 10 of spades just tip your hat to him. He could just as easily be raising with pocket Ks, Js or 7s with a full house, perhaps even a Ace high flush. There are so many raisable hands there that you can beat.



+1 Nothing for me to add. Gotta call.
I'll vote for FH J's/8's
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
TheJacob
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July 6th, 2012 at 2:28:50 PM permalink
When Phil Galfond says its not awful and the guy has the straight flush 50%+ I believe him.

Its still a call obviously and I wasn't at the table, but I think its pretty rare he has anything but JJ and 9sTs here.

Its not as bad as it seems. The guy calls preflop, calls flop, calls turn, and jams river. That line really does a lot to define his range.
I don't know anything about this player, but a lot of players just won't have JJ much after flatting flop or KK after flatting preflop.

I can't find the exact details of the hand, but I think they were deep enough that raising 77 on the river is just spew. There are a lot of full houses and those are the only hands that are calling.

No doubt its a call, but the only way you should be excited about it is if your opponent is a giant fish and jams the As.
Zcore13
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July 6th, 2012 at 4:32:19 PM permalink
I've been playing Poker for 25 years and dealing/supervising it for 6. Folding quads was a terrible decision. Given that situation over and over again there is no doubt you would win FAR more times than lose. Most likely he was up agains the nut flush or full house, with the other guy having pocket K's J's or 7"s. It may turn out to be ok for him on this hand, but it was a bad play all in all.

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TheJacob
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July 6th, 2012 at 4:42:43 PM permalink
The board is paired and they started the hand ~230BBs deep the best I can gather.

The shove on the river is for ~170BBs more.
He has the nutflush never. He has 77 almost never.

This isn't a 100BB deep hand. Its over 200BBs deep where the preflop raise was a minraise and the flopbet was small. Which makes the turn and river actually play deeper.

It is a call, but I don't think you are winning here as often as some people seem to think.
buzzpaff
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July 6th, 2012 at 5:47:34 PM permalink
If you can not lay down a hand that might have been a winner, you are not a world class poker player.
He thought his quads were beat, that says it all !
98Clubs
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July 6th, 2012 at 6:35:26 PM permalink
Just how late in this tournament did this occur???
If in the money, no f'in way do I fold Quads, no way.
Even late, near the money with that board, I'll call the shove.
Late tournament means play'em if ya gottem.
Fishhooks full by the turn with a waste card.
Spade Ace with paint, maybe... but that board is paired.
Nothing like the wrong move at the wrong time (Shoving the pot with Ace-Flush/FH).
I think the Russian regrets it.

Besides, pocket Jacks sux.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.

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