WongBo
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February 15th, 2012 at 6:35:20 PM permalink
They could simply make it so that all sevens are a tie and the HE would be reduced to 2.78%.
Or they could even say that all 6,7,8 are a tie and still get 6.63%!
They would still make money on it.
The way it is now just stinks of greed.
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:01:34 PM permalink
I would have suggested the player loses half on ties or ties under a certain number lose.

Another idea would be that if the totals are the same then you look to the individual dice to break the idea. So a 6+2 would beat 5+3. If that is still a tie then it goes to the dealer.
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WongBo
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:16:01 PM permalink
I like your idea of introducing a half-loss into the game
I was just trying to determine a rule set that was as easy as the existing one.
If you ran the decision out to dice composition, it would cause a lot of confusion.
How about this, all doubles/hardways are a loss, still only a 2.78% edge and easy to print on the felt.
I think 2.78% is fair and it correlates to the minimum HE at sic bo, which is about fifty feet away from the beat the dealer table.
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Ibeatyouraces
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:17:55 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:28:39 PM permalink
House wins all 2s and 12s. Push other ties.

That should do it.
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:30:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here are the Turning Stone rules of the game.

... and then click on "Beat the dealer"



Earlier in the day, one of the deleted posts indicated that not only are dealer twelves an automatic win for the house, but the implication was a player twelve was an automatic loser for the player. The post went on to say that a dealer eleven was an automatic house win.

I make mention of that just in case someone else read that, and remembers it as I do. The point is, that's NOT what the casino's website rule indicates. Also, I hope the house edge was calculated based upon the actual rules.

On the other hand, I can see that this is a VERY bad game, and maybe the high edge calculated is correct.


Of course, I have a couple ideas to lower the edge.

1 - If the player beats the dealer, and the player rolls a double, pay the player double.
2 - If the player ties the dealer, and the player rolls a double when the dealer rolled easy, then pay the player single.
3 - If they tie and both roll doubles, it's a push.
4 - If they tie and neither roll doubles, the player loses.

I haven't run numbers to see how much this lowers the edge.
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February 15th, 2012 at 7:39:03 PM permalink
That was my faulty memory at work.
I was watching a bunch of people play the game from an adjoining craps table.
I deleted my earlier posts because I had made an improper assumption about the rules.
I like your idea of the 2 and 12 being losers, it's sort of a nice way to ease them into craps!
But that would still give them a 5.56% edge.
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MrCasinoGames
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February 15th, 2012 at 8:08:45 PM permalink
How about this one:
Ties doubles: Player win
Ties easy: dealer win

Maybe this one:
Ties on points 2,3,11 or 12: Player win
Other Ties: dealer win
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WongBo
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February 15th, 2012 at 8:28:51 PM permalink
I think there is a certain beauty in the simplicity of the game.
The house advantage is exorbitant, given.
But in trying to improve the game,
it should have lower edge and be simple to explain and understand.
All of these complicated variations would turn off the interest in the game.
Its simplicity is its draw.
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February 15th, 2012 at 8:36:00 PM permalink
Here is my new page on Beat the Dealer.

I welcome all comments and corrections.
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