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EvenBob
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April 29th, 2018 at 3:55:22 PM permalink
This is a hilarious roulette video from
BBT that Wiz has on the other forum.
Really cracks me up because it's almost
true.

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April 29th, 2018 at 4:32:57 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

IMHO, it also makes it impossible to have a croupier control where the ball might land. While hitting a single number anywhere beyond random would be impossible, if the wheel is spun at a near constant speed a skilled person could probably hit a section of numbers with lots of practice. Yes, lots and lots, and not everyone, But if someone could do it and got a team they could trust, said team could spread bets over the area of numbers to grind out some wins.

If the croupier COULD target a section, it would be easy to bet that section if the felt had a racetrack.

On an unrelated note, what痴 the sequence on a 000 table?
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:46:01 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

If the croupier COULD target a section, it would be easy to bet that section if the felt had a racetrack.



Racetrack?

How are wheels spun? IIRC I was told they are so balanced they keep spinning and spinning. That would mean the RPM is not constant. But if RPM *is* constant then I say a person with dexterity could be sure the ball goes around about the same number of times, most times. With practice and calculation you would just need figure where you want to release then use the same force. Say you release as 00 goes by your hand.

So this does not turn into a "thing" (e.g.: dice control for the 53rd time), I am not saying it would be easy and not even saying it would work. I am saying that staggering the numbers makes it NOT possible.

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On an unrelated note, what痴 the sequence on a 000 table?



I think I will not touch that one on general principle.
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darkoz
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:58:27 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Racetrack?

How are wheels spun? IIRC I was told they are so balanced they keep spinning and spinning. That would mean the RPM is not constant. But if RPM *is* constant then I say a person with dexterity could be sure the ball goes around about the same number of times, most times. With practice and calculation you would just need figure where you want to release then use the same force. Say you release as 00 goes by your hand.

So this does not turn into a "thing" (e.g.: dice control for the 53rd time), I am not saying it would be easy and not even saying it would work. I am saying that staggering the numbers makes it NOT possible.



I think I will not touch that one on general principle.



I think if both wheel and ball could be kept consistent there is that remote possibility however that does not take into account the diamond struts
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AZDuffman
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April 29th, 2018 at 5:07:09 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I think if both wheel and ball could be kept consistent there is that remote possibility however that does not take into account the diamond struts



I agree, and they are there to add to randomness. But I am talking a grind scam. We discussed it at the very first WOV-East (unnumbered to the current series) and dice control where if you could do it and just make the 7 fall from 1/6 to 1/7 then the house edge flips to your side.

I don't know the roulette math as well, but lets imagine the croupier could hit even 1/3 of the wheel just twice as often as random. Do we have a player edge?

Not the same as dice control as you need a reliable crew and might even need a Pit Boss to be in on it to look the other way. But I am one of those honest people with the mind of a criminal in some ways, looking for how an edge could happen.
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Ace2
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:13:47 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman



I don't know the roulette math as well, but lets imagine the croupier could hit even 1/3 of the wheel just twice as often as random. Do we have a player edge?.

Yes, 89.5 %
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TigerWu
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:43:11 PM permalink
What's the pattern on the new triple 0 wheels?
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:53:28 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

What's the pattern on the new triple 0 wheels?



The three zeros are next to each other. I assume it otherwise follows the single-zero order, but am not sure.
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Ace2
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April 29th, 2018 at 7:31:38 PM permalink
The single zero wheel observations I have are:

The halves to the left and right of the zero are perfectly balanced... 333 each.

Looking at 1-36 in sequential order, for 11-28 evens go to the right side and odds to the left. This is reversed for 29-10.

On the right half all reds are high and all blacks are low. Opposite for the left.

Starting at 1 going clockwise and separating the wheel into thirds, there are 4 low numbers, 4 mids and 4 highs in each third.

Not surprisingly, the thirds are pretty well balanced. Totaling the numbers in each you get 236, 204 and 226.

Normally lows, mids and highs alternate. There are only a few exceptions where 2 numbers from the same third are adjacent.

Using the above rules, and keeping each third at 222 +/- 20, I think you値l come up with something quite close to the actual layout.
Last edited by: Ace2 on Apr 29, 2018
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michael99000
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April 29th, 2018 at 7:49:10 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The three zeros are next to each other. I assume it otherwise follows the single-zero order, but am not sure.



That is correct. And some casinos the 000 spot says the casino name or symbol instead of 000

I致e seen a few online triple zero wheels where the zeroes are spread out

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